[Cobbler]

Originally posted by josh_palace:
He puts it down to the fact there were a lot of 'top brass' in the control room that day which just confused things as everyone was jumpy and wanted to take control (too many cooks and all that).

If that's the case then it's yet another reason while those at the top should be fired.

Thats the very reason why there is a designated control structure for major incidents and operations. If the designated Gold Commander (Cressida Dick) was not fully in control, then we need to know why that was the case.

[Cobbler]

Originally posted by Henry_14:
Not too sure making the police seem like vilians is too clever either. Those on the job made a judgement call and got it wrong. Next time the hesitation in shooting might be enough time for a real suicide bomber to blow himself and potentialy hundreds of other up.

If there were mistakes made then it is everyone's interests to have those identified and fixed. The fact that the Met pleaded not guilty to the charge doesn't give a vast ammount of confidence that they have done that.

In this case the mistakes in surveillance, identification and fairly catastrophic internal communication failures lead to an innocent man being killed. The next time, it could go the other way and lead to someone who is a threat slipping through the net.

[Arjen Robben]

Originally posted by BBB:
that graphical timeline thing is amazing, can't believe they had him pinned down, then leant over him and shot him. utter utter shambles.

that's the most unbelievable bit?

[Henry_14]

Originally posted by Cobbler:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Henry_14:
Not too sure making the police seem like vilians is too clever either. Those on the job made a judgement call and got it wrong. Next time the hesitation in shooting might be enough time for a real suicide bomber to blow himself and potentialy hundreds of other up.

If there were mistakes made then it is everyone's interests to have those identified and fixed. The fact that the Met pleaded not guilty to the charge doesn't give a vast ammount of confidence that they have done that.

In this case the mistakes in surveillance, identification and fairly catastrophic internal communication failures lead to an innocent man being killed. The next time, it could go the other way and lead to someone who is a threat slipping through the net. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah thats true i suppose. Punishment would have to be at the top rather than those on the ground who were simply following orders and making judgement calls as they saw it.

[theboydonegood]

Originally posted by Big Geordie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by zink:
ian blair to resign? how about the numerous people responsible for an innocent man getting shot in the head 7 times being called to task instead.

At the end of the day, they will have been following someone's orders. If that person cannot be identified and is therefore a problem with the system, then the man at the top should take responsibility.

There is little/no accountability in the corridor's of power these days. For the average Joe, if you drop a major bo11ock in your job, you can (and more often than not) will be out on your arse. Why should top bosses be any different ? </BLOCKQUOTE>

just shut up

[James07?]

ah, he had 'mongolian eyes'. Explains it all. Fair play the met.

[teamadi]

Originally posted by theboydonegood:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by zink:
ian blair to resign? how about the numerous people responsible for an innocent man getting shot in the head 7 times being called to task instead.

At the end of the day, they will have been following someone's orders. If that person cannot be identified and is therefore a problem with the system, then the man at the top should take responsibility.

There is little/no accountability in the corridor's of power these days. For the average Joe, if you drop a major bo11ock in your job, you can (and more often than not) will be out on your arse. Why should top bosses be any different ? </BLOCKQUOTE>

just shut up </BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? Do you actually know anything about Public Service traditions?

[theboydonegood]

Originally posted by teamadi:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by theboydonegood:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by zink:
ian blair to resign? how about the numerous people responsible for an innocent man getting shot in the head 7 times being called to task instead.

At the end of the day, they will have been following someone's orders. If that person cannot be identified and is therefore a problem with the system, then the man at the top should take responsibility.

There is little/no accountability in the corridor's of power these days. For the average Joe, if you drop a major bo11ock in your job, you can (and more often than not) will be out on your arse. Why should top bosses be any different ? </BLOCKQUOTE>

just shut up </BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? Do you actually know anything about Public Service traditions? </BLOCKQUOTE>

wtf is that supposed to mean?

[BBB]

Originally posted by Arjen Robben:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by BBB:
that graphical timeline thing is amazing, can't believe they had him pinned down, then leant over him and shot him. utter utter shambles.

that's the most unbelievable bit? </BLOCKQUOTE>

the way I read it and thought how it happened was that they just basically shot him as he was getting on the tram. The whole thing just reeks of ineptness

[theboydonegood]

Originally posted by teamadi:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by theboydonegood:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by zink:
ian blair to resign? how about the numerous people responsible for an innocent man getting shot in the head 7 times being called to task instead.

At the end of the day, they will have been following someone's orders. If that person cannot be identified and is therefore a problem with the system, then the man at the top should take responsibility.

There is little/no accountability in the corridor's of power these days. For the average Joe, if you drop a major bo11ock in your job, you can (and more often than not) will be out on your arse. Why should top bosses be any different ? </BLOCKQUOTE>

just shut up </BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? Do you actually know anything about Public Service traditions? </BLOCKQUOTE>

because if you follow BG's ridiculous 'logic' thru to its conclusion then everybody who ever does anything wrong can just say they are following orders, if everyone says that then it always leads to the person at the top. whom according to bg is always going to be wrong by virtue of the fact they might not be a left wing, working class socialist from newcastle.


he needs to get the ****ing chip of his silly geordie shoulder.