[retired_laticia3]

Tbh am I not the only person who on seeing John Charles de Menezes on the news, with protests and policemen, who thinks "Are they STILL going on about that?!?!?!"

[FitZiggy]

some of these eye witness accounts are just so wrong its almost funny

"After the officers were ordered to stop him from entering the station at all costs, they challenged him before he crossed the main road to the station.

When they drew their weapons and shouted “Stop, armed police”, the man looked over his shoulder and bolted. He was described as being very fit and agile. "


"Another witness said that the suspect boarded the Tube and attempted to take a hostage before he was shot.

Dan Copeland, a Northern Line passenger, told BBC News: “The man burst in through the carriage door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me. "

[retired_tripaige]

Originally posted by BBB:
that graphical timeline thing is amazing, can't believe they had him pinned down, then leant over him and shot him. utter utter shambles.

whs. step 24 utterly shocking.

[retired_brose]

Originally posted by Jono:
I heard this on the news earlier on, was confused that the police force has been fined 150k or something, isnt the police force funded by our tax money, and where is the 150k going?

yeah lots of people have been saying how stupid it is fining the police as it only takes away resources and uses up more of the tax payers money.

Not too sure making the police seem like vilians is too clever either. Those on the job made a judgement call and got it wrong. Next time the hesitation in shooting might be enough time for a real suicide bomber to blow himself and potentialy hundreds of other up.

[retired_hvporter]

Originally posted by Big Geordie:
Yup - it seems that the top bloke at the police is going to keep his job over this. Whatever happened to falling on your own sword and accepting responsibility for a major f**kup ? Those in power/top positions don't do that anymore, which is surely down a a lack of personal morality, IMO.

Check the Daily Mail headline tomorrow morning. I am certain BG wrote it

[retired_ehicks84]

ian blair to resign? how about the numerous people responsible for an innocent man getting shot in the head 7 times being called to task instead.

[retired_fabricodalacosta]

Originally posted by zink:
ian blair to resign? how about the numerous people responsible for an innocent man getting shot in the head 7 times being called to task instead.

At the end of the day, they will have been following someone's orders. If that person cannot be identified and is therefore a problem with the system, then the man at the top should take responsibility.

There is little/no accountability in the corridor's of power these days. For the average Joe, if you drop a major bo11ock in your job, you can (and more often than not) will be out on your arse. Why should top bosses be any different ?

[retired_ehicks84]

Originally posted by Big Geordie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by zink:
ian blair to resign? how about the numerous people responsible for an innocent man getting shot in the head 7 times being called to task instead.

For the average Joe, if you drop a major bo11ock in your job, you can (and more often than not) will be out on your arse. </BLOCKQUOTE>

mmm, you. not someone else.

[retired_ks reddy]

Afghanistan and Iraq are proper shooting wars now. Much better to get the army sneaky beakies out of that and onto surveillance in the UK where they can be more use. The police always **** it up, whereas the army doesn't lean to panicked overreactions.

[retired_naudts]

Was actualy speaking to someone i know who was involved on the day. He was part of counter terrorism squad, and from what I understand, they were tracking him but didnt think he was actualy a bomber as they wouldnt have let him get near a train station, they passed him on to another unit and somewhere along the line it was passed down to stop him at all costs. His team have actualy been giving evidence for the prosicution in this case.
He puts it down to the fact there were a lot of 'top brass' in the control room that day which just confused things as everyone was jumpy and wanted to take control (too many cooks and all that).