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11-02-2007, 06:41 PM
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IMO it is anything but clear in the rules. The below is from the Laws of the Game and it applies to both in match and shootouts. Quote:
• the player taking the penalty kicks the ball forward
• he does not play the ball a second time until it has touched
another player
• the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward
| There is nothing about the ball needing to move forward, it has to be kicked forward by the taker but nothing more.
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11-02-2007, 06:43 PM
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Should add that even though the rules are clear on this applying to shootouts the second line would not apply as there are no other players allowed to be involved in that specific PK (other than the taker and the goalie that is).
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11-02-2007, 06:50 PM
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Penalty Query... Knowledge of rules required! Post #33 | | Newb
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clearly its a goal
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11-02-2007, 06:52 PM
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Penalty Query... Knowledge of rules required! Post #34 | | Registered User
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Quote:
Originally posted by Craig[EVE]:
The Ref's head said that after the kick was taken and the ball saved that ends the play and if it goes in after that it doesn't count.
| Define "saved" though. It certainly isn't enough to just touch it. And not enough to just slow it down. So why should the balls own motion (even if it is by spin) not count? Quote:
Originally posted by TokyoSexWhale:
Or has the ball made two forward motions?
| Utterly irrelevant as there is nothing in the rules that limits "forward motions" on the ball.
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11-02-2007, 06:58 PM
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Penalty Query... Knowledge of rules required! Post #35 | | Registered User
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dont know about rules and whatnot but id say it should be a goal.
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11-02-2007, 07:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by CJ Sheehan:
So far as I understand, the goal stands. The goal ended the ball's single motion - that being the ball had not come to rest before crossing the line.
| Strictly speaking, it has stopped moving, though. After it hit the post, it must actually stop before rebounding off.
Science is wonderful. :thup:
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11-02-2007, 07:04 PM
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I'm inclined to say it's a goal.
I don't believe the goalkeeper has saved the shot in this situation - nor in the back spin situation.
Imagine if the keeper caught the ball, but then it squirmed out of his hands, or he fumbled it into the net or something.
Or he saves with his hands, but puts it in with his knees.
Can't really class it as a save can you?
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11-02-2007, 07:17 PM
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Penalty Query... Knowledge of rules required! Post #38 | | Newb
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mr Wallin:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Craig[EVE]:
The Ref's head said that after the kick was taken and the ball saved that ends the play and if it goes in after that it doesn't count.
| Define "saved" though. It certainly isn't enough to just touch it. And not enough to just slow it down. So why should the balls own motion (even if it is by spin) not count?
</BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not sure why i'm arguing as i said what i know is based on what the head of the ref's for the FA said on soccer AM.
Saved as in stops the forward motion of the ball towards the goal.
From what he said, if the pen is left to right and the ball goes.
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o -> GOAL
It shouldn't be counted.
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11-02-2007, 07:19 PM
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Penalty Query... Knowledge of rules required! Post #39 | | Newb
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Quote:
Originally posted by Half-time Orange:
I'm inclined to say it's a goal.
I don't believe the goalkeeper has saved the shot in this situation - nor in the back spin situation.
Imagine if the keeper caught the ball, but then it squirmed out of his hands, or he fumbled it into the net or something.
Or he saves with his hands, but puts it in with his knees.
Can't really class it as a save can you?
| But the ball is still heading towards the goal?
Think about it. Last Pen of the shootout, keeper needs to save to win the tie. The keeper catches it, then in the joy turns round and boots the ball into the net in celebration. Goal?
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11-02-2007, 07:25 PM
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Re: celebration - he needs to have clearly had the ball under control, imho.
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