retired_derek

retired_snsflip

The FIFA rules don't mention anything about the ball rebounding in off the goalkeeper in a penalty shootout being illegal so I'd presume it would be given.

Think it used to be illegal but the rule was changed. In addition to the incident Powlay mentioned (think it was 86 - France vs. Brazil), I can remember Ljungberg scoring in a penalty shootout against Holland in Euro 2004 that went in off the keeper.

retired_bemesel

Referees would regularly allow it - even if a grey area. See WC 1986 Brazil versus France.

retired_nicichiro

Was it on SSN recently that they showed a penalty that was saved and came back out to the edge of the goal area, where it bounced and spun back into the net? And I think they said it didn't count.

retired_g_stull

They may have the benefit of years of experience and video replays, but Referees have to pass tests and are regularly graded on their competency and accuracy.

I wonder who was right?

retired_smilin916

This was on Soccer AM a couple of weeks ago as a question and they had a video of a kids game where a pen was saved by the keeper, but the ball had so much spin on it that when it bounced it span back over the line and past the keeper.

The Ref's head said that after the kick was taken and the ball saved that ends the play and if it goes in after that it doesn't count. So i'm guessing in a shootout (not a normal pen) that if the ball hits the post and comes out hits the keeper and goes in it should be dissallowed as it's finished once it's hit the post.

retired_dennis

Goal, there's simply no argument,

Imagine that the ball bounces off the post at a weired angle, heading over the line though, the keeper saves it, its counted as a save? Of course it is.

In a similar situation where the ball bounces off the post and isn't heading towards the goal and hits the keeper and goes in the goal.

So if the keeper has the right to save it off the post then he also can score an 'own goal'

retired_smilin916

For the ball to hit the post and still be on the way in it's still travelling forward from the player. So it's valid.

The argument is the ball back towards the taker and hitting the keeper and going in. In which case it's not valid in a shootout.

retired_evacavender

Surely if it hits the post, hits the keepers head then goes in, its a goal.

BUT if it hits the post, bounces, then hits the keeper and goes in, its not a goal.

*I have no knowledge of the rules and dont make any claims that this is right

retired_MikeMcC

afaik the only difference between a penalty in a shootout and a normal peno is that the guy hitting the ball may only hit it once, so if the ball rebounds of the post and hits the back of the keepers head and then goes in, it would stand imo