Mother dies after refusing blood

retired_musiclova31 · 11-05-2007, 04:49 PM

but that doesn't fit your earlier stated arbitrary law - she could very well have inflicted this on herself.

she's barely conscious, her state of mind is open to considerable debate. and what happened if it was the hubby/relative who shot her?

all very convenient, eh?

btw: it is technically against the law to hand out medical advice unless you are suitably qualified to do so. why should you be allowed to make an exception - when it is clearly to your own detriment - in your own instance on the basis of a religious belief when both suicide AND euthanasia are also illegal?

retired_brittneyloveshim · 11-05-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by James07?:
If a person refuses medical treatment because of a fear of needles their wishes can be overturned as that fear is deemed irrational. For me, if a person refuses medical treatment because of a fear of hell their wishes should also be overturned as that fear is equally irrational.

If we're already going down a route that suggests the GMC advocating going against the wishes of patients in some circumstances why should religion get an opt out? Shouldn’t medical law and ethics be governed by cold hard logic and science?

I'm perfectly happy for people to do unto themselves what they see fit...that's their choice, but I'm not sure the law should have the same attitude. The law as it stands seems to be somewhat contradictory, in that it allows people to refuse treatment in circumstances such as this, yet does not allow people to choose the timing and circumstances of their death in other situations.

(I’m expecting to be summarily dismissed in less than a full sentence).

well i`ve got some sympathy with that but a fear of needles isn`t a conviction. it`s obviously applicable in some situations but, in general, a "fear of hell" is something of a caricature of the belief. it seems ****ing madness to me but rightly or wrongly she believed that it was wrong to have a blood transfusion. it`s not about "logic and science" - logic and science only says that it is possible to have blood transfusions and survive, and makes no claim to it being right or wrong to do so. the law should support the right of someone to hold beliefs on this.

if i were a doctor i don`t know how the **** i`d be able to deal with such a request but as a dispassionate observer, i can only say it should be up to the individual. parents shouldn`t be allowed to decide on the behalf of a child, though.

retired_Fit · 11-05-2007, 04:54 PM

I wonder if the rest of the woman's family are religious nutjobs ? They hospital should have called HER Mother to come down and shout at her stupid daughter

retired_heidus17 · 11-05-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Scatter:
but that doesn't fit your earlier stated arbitrary law - she could very well have inflicted this on herself.

she's barely conscious, her state of mind is open to considerable debate. and what happened if it was the hubby/relative who shot her?

all very convenient, eh?

btw: it is technically against the law to hand out medical advice unless you are suitably qualified to do so. why should you be allowed to make an exception - when it is clearly to your own detriment - in your own instance on the basis of a religious belief when both suicide AND euthanasia are also illegal?

what was my earlier law?

as for the handing out medical advice, well you've got the right when its over your own body i'd say.

retired_musiclova31 · 11-05-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by johnsoncarmichael:
well i`ve got some sympathy with that but a fear of needles isn`t a conviction. it`s obviously applicable in some situations but, in general, a "fear of hell" is something of a caricature of the belief. it seems ****ing madness to me but rightly or wrongly she believed that it was wrong to have a blood transfusion. it`s not about "logic and science" - logic and science only says that it is possible to have blood transfusions and survive, and makes no claim to it being right or wrong to do so. the law should support the right of someone to hold beliefs on this.

right, so if i start a cult, register it as a religion, and then convince people that if they don't slit their wrists - and refuse medical aid after doing so - every time there's a full moon on a sunday they'll go to hell, said religious followers should be allowed to do so with no repercussions to me?

awesome. wanna join numpty boy?

retired_brittneyloveshim · 11-05-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Scatter:
but that doesn't fit your earlier stated arbitrary law - she could very well have inflicted this on herself.

she's barely conscious, her state of mind is open to considerable debate. and what happened if it was the hubby/relative who shot her?

all very convenient, eh?

btw: it is technically against the law to hand out medical advice unless you are suitably qualified to do so. why should you be allowed to make an exception - when it is clearly to your own detriment - in your own instance on the basis of a religious belief when both suicide AND euthanasia are also illegal?

but it`s not medical advice, is it? no-one told her that blood transfusions would do anything other than potentially save her life. the point is that the belief - which someone will at some point have introduced her to - is that it is `wrong` to have a blood transfusion, as ****ing mental as that seems.

retired_Fit · 11-05-2007, 04:59 PM

Do we know if this woman has a husband ? Take the kids out of the equation and does anyone still care a fruitloop got to do things her own way and die ?

retired_musiclova31 · 11-05-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by The Rafalution:
what was my earlier law?

that the right to refuse treatment was nullified if the injury was self inflicted and serious (or words to that effect).

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Originally posted by The Rafalution:
as for the handing out medical advice, well you've got the right when its over your own body i'd say.

hey, i've got no problem with a person refusing medical treatment. i have a real issue with a person doing so in a life threatening situation on the basis of an organisation - with absolutely ZERO proof that their beliefs are legitimate - brainwashing them to.

retired_musiclova31 · 11-05-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by johnsoncarmichael:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Scatter:
btw: it is technically against the law to hand out medical advice unless you are suitably qualified to do so. why should you be allowed to make an exception - when it is clearly to your own detriment - in your own instance on the basis of a religious belief when both suicide AND euthanasia are also illegal?

but it`s not medical advice, is it? no-one told her that blood transfusions would do anything other than potentially save her life. the point is that the belief - which someone will at some point have introduced her to - is that it is `wrong` to have a blood transfusion, as ****ing mental as that seems. </BLOCKQUOTE>
it is 'medical advice' to herself though really - though not quite as literally as you're taking the implication. she's been told by someone trained to know that she needs a transfusion. she's decided to take the 'advice' of her beliefs - her conscious advice if you will - that she can't/won't/doesn't want to do that.

retired_heidus17 · 11-05-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Scatter:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by The Rafalution:
what was my earlier law?

that the right to refuse treatment was nullified if the injury was self inflicted and serious (or words to that effect). </BLOCKQUOTE>

Quote me? I never said that

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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by The Rafalution:
as for the handing out medical advice, well you've got the right when its over your own body i'd say.

hey, i've got no problem with a person refusing medical treatment. i have a real issue with a person doing so in a life threatening situation on the basis of an organisation - with absolutely ZERO proof that their beliefs are legitimate - brainwashing them to. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too, I have a problem with it. i think it's absolutley ridiculous, doesn't change that I think they have a right to do it. I'm right there with you in thinknig the women's actions are totally moronic.

Mother dies after refusing blood

Grab a beer, sit back and relax.

Mother dies after refusing blood