retired_lroman

what the hell did a do there? ^^

retired_sedimohasel

No they won't if they know that it will kill him. This is exactly what euthanasia is and it is illegal almost everywhere on the planet. </BLOCKQUOTE>
No, you've misunderstood the system, I think. I'm almost completely sure that I'm right! </BLOCKQUOTE>

No, you're the one missing the point.
From wikipedia
"Euthanasia is the practice of ending the life of a human or animal who is incurably ill in a painless or minimally painful way, for the purpose of limiting suffering. Laws around the world vary greatly with regard to euthanasia, and are constantly subject to change as cultural values shift and better palliative care, or treatments become available. It is legal in some jurisdictions, while in others it may be criminalized."

Also here you have a list of countries and what is the law there regarding euthanasia.

retired_sedimohasel

I think that system is valid and fair, by the way </BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what most of us are saying. It would be the best but it's only like that in certain cases which makes it so illogical which is what I'm arguing against. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Well the argument seems like a waste of time, if that's the case.

The doctors can go to court to try and get a ruling against what the patient requests if they have a reason to etc, but they cannot force treatment upon a mentally competent patient </BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course the argument is pointless if you don't even know what euthanasia is and a minimum about the law before you start talking about it.

retired_yesmoncar

Suicide isn't illegal in the UK.

It used to be. And relatives of the deceased had shame brought on them etc etc

retired_craftynm@pa.net

That was a Splendid imput.
Ever thought of registering for the "Yo Mama" show? </BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm stoked that you seem to have developed a persona for me, and I have no recollection for who you are. Carry on.

retired_google

They should be. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok then we agree because that's exactly what I think. I'd like people to be responsible for their actions but that's pretty utopic and in the world we live it would be more logical to go the other way because what annoys me the most is inconsistency in the laws. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed.

I generally believe that if you're not causing direct harm to someone, you should be allowed to do pretty much whatever you want to do. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Or if this someone is willing to get hurt.
That's what I think would be the best way to go too but I don't think it would be applicable for countless examples starting with the german canibal one I just mentionned. </BLOCKQUOTE>

That's an extreme example though. It's a big leap to go from S&M to "Please eat me. Literally."

retired_sedimohasel

But if you let people literraly do what they want with their body because they own it (which to my understanding is what you were suggesting) things like that will happen.

retired_sedimohasel

That was a Splendid imput.
Ever thought of registering for the "Yo Mama" show? </BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm stoked that you seem to have developed a persona for me, and I have no recollection for who you are. Carry on. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I have no clue of who you are and if that's the only contribution that you're gonna make then I really don't care either.

retired_matthowells

Pretty sure nobody else has said this so far, but in a weird sort of way, I almost envy her. I'd love to actually believe in something that strongly that I'd literally give up everything for it if I had to. Obviously I don't envy the situation she was in or anything.

I also think that its only right that the patient can refuse treatment if they wish, on any grounds whatsoever (providing they're in a fit mental state, obviously). It seems rather arrogant to me that someone thinks they (or another person) should be allowed to make a life or death decision for someone else, simply because they think they know better. If I wish to refuse treatment for something, and am able to say that to doctors or whoever, then I'd be extremely ****ed off if they just went ahead and treated me anyway.

retired_sedimohasel

Definition of euthanasia right here and it is illegal in most countries.