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Originally posted by Razzler:
Not really backpass but does anyone remember Fabian Barthez just blantently coming 5 or 6 yards out of his box and just touching the ball down with his hand to control it. Ref did nothing I think it might have against Real Madrid in the Champions League ... very odd, the cheek of it
Haven't seen that but I do remember the time that Lehman was out wide goofing around and caught the ball. He had both his feet clearly outside the pen area but his hands and the ball was just as clearly inside it so the ref correctly allowed it, cue loads of whining from the opponents (and the commentators for a short while too before the had thought it through).
Originally posted by CovFan:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by José_9_Reyes:
Didnt Seaman once pick up a ball from a back pass becuase a attacker was coming in and could have scored? He only got booked for that.
That was the famous 5-1 victory against Germany iirc. </BLOCKQUOTE>
yeah and it was Kahn when Owen would've been through.
Originally posted by Mr Wallin:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by HD:
Defender miscontrolled the ball and it ran past him, keeper runs over, touches the ball into the area and picks it up. Ref gives indirect free kick, which is crossed in and results in a goal.
Have to see it to be sure but from what you said it looks like the ref fecked up. </BLOCKQUOTE>
IIRC the rule states a pass done below the knee (doesn't have to be feet can be shin)
There was a lot of controversy a few months back here in Portugal about a certain play involving a back pass. (discussion if it had been intentional or a tackle)
And an ex-international ref that is President of the Referees Association here in Portugal claimed the rule doesn't state that there has to be intention by the defender so has long as he touched it back towards the keeper its a foul.
This surprised me a bit cause i always heard that it needed to be a deliberate pass, and i've seen loads of tackles no signaled as a foul.
Originally posted by orion318:
IIRC the rule states a pass done below the knee (doesn't have to be feet can be shin)
No it doesn't. It specificly says "kicked".
Quote:
Originally posted by orion318:
And an ex-international ref that is President of the Referees Association here in Portugal claimed the rule doesn't state that there has to be intention by the defender so has long as he touched it back towards the keeper its a foul.
Then he is wrong. The rule clearly states it has to be a "deliberate" action.
Originally posted by Father Senegal:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Mr Wallin:
There is no clear goalscorer involved though so that rule isn't relevant.
The bloke who does the backpass is the clear goalscorer iirc </BLOCKQUOTE>
No he isn't. Because he isn't an opponent and the rule is clear about it needing to be an opponent you stop. Got to try better than that Senegal.
An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper,
inside his own penalty area, commits any of the following four offences:
• takes more than six seconds while controlling the ball with his
hands before releasing it from his possession
• touches the ball again with his hands after it has been released
from his possession and has not touched any other player
• touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked
to him by a team-mate
• touches the ball with his hands after he has received it directly from
a throw-in taken by a team-mate
(I think the above might have once been something like: "controlled backpass using foot or leg below the knee.")
Quote:
also from law 12:Decision 3
Subject to the terms of Law 12, a player may pass the ball to his own
goalkeeper using his head or chest or knee, etc. If, however, in the
opinion of the referee, a player uses a deliberate trick while the ball is
in play in order to circumvent the Law, the player is guilty of unsporting
behaviour. He is cautioned, shown the yellow card and an indirect
free kick is awarded to the opposing team from the place where the
infringement occurred. * (see page 3)
A player using a deliberate trick to circumvent the Law while he is
taking a free kick is cautioned for unsporting behaviour and shown
the yellow card. The free kick is retaken.
In such circumstances, it is irrelevant whether the goalkeeper subsequently
touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is committed
by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and
the spirit of Law 12.
There are two interesting points here for me: it's okay to deliberately head the ball back as long as you don't perform a trick to do so!
(aside: can the goalie or other defender chip it up for a defender to head back, or is it only solo tricks?).
Also: the presumption that a player has performed a trick with the purpose of circumventing the rule - guilty until proven innocent.
In the dying moments of a match a defender with loads of time and space decides to do a crowd-pleasing trick which ends in him nodding the ball back to the keeper = Booking!
Even if the keeper picks it up, it's impossible to prove that was the defender's intention.
Don't really understand why you'd do it though. If you've got time to chip the ball up and head it to the goalie then you've probably got time to control it and clear it normally anyway.
Very occasionally when I used to play in goal I'd flick the ball up to a defender, he would head it back to me so I could distribute with my hands. Much easier to pinpoint a pass with a throw than a kick, and in indoor that makes a big difference.
I think it might have against Real Madrid in the Champions League ... very odd, the cheek of it
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