retired_bball3378

Too scared to come to Manchester and take on the likes of me and BBB though.

Ventil

Football fans rioting is a sign of much wider social dissatisfaction.
See British fans in the 70's and early 80's.

retired_shannon

Post of the thread...and the year for me!

retired_hvporter

Post of the thread...and the year for me! </BLOCKQUOTE>
Agree - pretty much sums up the whole issue in two short sentences.

A lot of football fans are anti-establishment, especially a number of the ultra gangs (hence the problems involving the Atalanta/Milan game yesterday). If a strike against fans by the establishment (police) takes place, other ultras gangs will take it as an attack against their own.

If the Italians are going to get on top of this, they need to police matters and turn things around, like what happened with English football in the late 1980's/ early 1990's. I suspect, given the notoriety of the ultras, it will take a hell of a lot more than a Taylor Report and increased policing to win this one, but it will have to take on some heavy-handedness on the part of the authorities.

I know there is a historical precedence of incidents in Italian football, but the root of them is in the culture - not just footballing culture but also the culture of the society. I do think matters will get worse before they actually get better.

retired_bball3378

have the police claimed he looked a bit muslim yet?

retired_bball3378

there's a political element about it that wasn't there in England in the 70/80's. For me, that makes it harder to tackle.

retired_felicityh

while i'm not going to take issue with the gist of the rest of your post, i will with this if you're trying to pass it off as possibly being not entirely a footballing issue. if it wasn't, the matches would never have been abandoned. </BLOCKQUOTE>

more of a personality issue tbh. I don't see why they can't keep their feelings inside the stadiums. these people aren't football fans if they insist on attacking each other.