retired_sedimohasel

Bit extreme don't you think?

retired_el_chanclas

Cancel Serie A for 2 years. If, after 2 years, they can't sort out their problems then kick them out of European and International competitions, and let them play Serie A with no chance of Champions League, their National Team unable to qualify for Euro/WC. Basically remove them from the rest of the Football World until they take violence seriously.

retired_kimmymarlo

retired_musiclova31

No, it does seem a bit silly. But the Gaiilard quote is one of the most sensible things I have ever heard muttered by a UEFA representative. It is not Serie A clubs who are to blame, or football. It is more a case of the ills of society. These ultras exist in clubs in Serie B and C too, hence their reasoning, I guess.

With those suggestions, it all smacks of the ill-fated ideas of the Thatcher regime in the mid-80's. </BLOCKQUOTE>
simply cannot agree with that. gaillard's quote sounds like a desperate attempt to distance football from the problems more than anything. 'the ultras' are organised on the basis of which football club they support. whether the clubs have the power to do anything about them or not anymore is a different argument altogether. but to deny that this has something to do with football clubs is absurd.

retired_sedimohasel

And when a guy is convicted of violence we should get a dog to rape him as a punishment :thup:

retired_shannon

What UEFA needs to do is ban the italian clubs for 10 years from all the european competitions. Then perhaps your administrators and the police will come up with proper solutions. </BLOCKQUOTE>

What?

As pointed out by William Gaillard...and Docker today in the other thread...

Italy has social problems...and it's not a football problem. Football just happen to be the excuse they use and the stadiums and arena's the places they use to be idiots.

Also in recent years there has been a clear movement within Ultras groups for change and there are several initiatives started by certain ultras groups to try and distance themselves from the violence...and in some cases Ultras are actually becoming a force for good but it takes time for such change and thinking to filter through to other ultras and the culture.

The authorities have only recently started to take violence in the stadia seriously...and in that space of time security in stadiums has come along way imho...but there needs to be legislation in place to help the police and clubs...I mean atm the police can only hold you over night and they get charged with nothing and in the end the club gets fined. Great way to deter ultras.

Also the fact is that it's always the same ultras group and from the same team/city. Atalanta's curva nord are known all over for their absolute idiocy and violent streak...they have intentionally harmed/sabotaged and undermine the club for decades now...

If any bans need to be dished out...they need to be dished out to clubs that tolerate being undermined and sabotaged by their own fans. Clubs like Lazio, Juve, Atalanta, Inter, Roma, Catania, Livorno at times have allowed their ultras to run riot...and been very little in the way of clamping them down...and every season we hear the same stories...

Change must come from the clubs themselves...

retired_Fit

Sounds like some of the old English hooliganism excuses coming out there ....

"Cancelling Serie B and C Game" .... Oooooh ! That's nothing, no Serie A anyway so others just get a week off. Hardly drastic measures