retired_amtrack181

I think you're confused, this is not a beta of the demo or a beta of the game, this is a game already on the street. That it can have bugs I agree, but that a patch or a beta patch adds to them I can't agree with you.
This just shows how losely tied things are within the code and why maybe there aren't so many changes thru the last versions. A feeling of, touching here but never really sure where it will popup. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't care what the SI folks say when I initially heard there would be an FM Live, I KNEW this game would be worse than normal. I just KNEW it. Despite their 'story' that there are more people working on it blah blah blah, I just don't buy it and IMO instead of diverting "new" hires to another game, it would have been nice to improve/debug/make playable the main game that 80% of people worldwide will be playing instead of FM Live which caters to a very small market. I would never ever turn on FM live, ever.

Simply put, the game was released too early and was a rush job, and now they are compounding their mistakes by rushing out a patch which has possibly made the situation worse.

Take your time, come clean, apologize to your customers and come out with a comprehensive patch which fixes the vast majority of the problems.

What a FUBAR so far?

retired_el_chanclas

Blaming the testers is utterly moronic.

You have no idea how hard the testers, both in-house and from the "close public" beta testers work, to help discover bugs and errors.

People seem to think that "testing" is just playing the game, having fun etc etc. It's not. Not every bug can be found in testing in such a huge game.

Would you rather have no testers? You can't imagine the progress the game makes thanks to the valuable input of the testers.

You have listed a dozen issues that you claim the testers have "ignored". There are hundreds of issues that the testers have found and SI have fixed that you have no idea about.

That is patently untrue. The game is fine. Issues have been tweaked and fixed in the beta patch. There are issues in every game.

If you want a "perfect" release you will be waiting forever, because it will never happen. Especially in a game as huge as FM.

mdschneids

to all that are defending the testers: i'm at university studing Informatics Engineering and i make a lot of complex programs some of them even have to work with many computers at the same time and i make my programs and test them and also test my friends programs and they do the same to me so i know what is to be a beta tester, and sure my programs aren't complex as FM008 but when i want to make my programs more complex first i get sure the bugs are fixed to avoid those bugs from getting spread and cause even more bugs. After looking at FM2008 for 15 minutes and not even playing a match i saw more then 5 bugs and reported them on the forums, after starting a match i saw the closing down bug , yeah on my 1st match so don't tell me that the beta testers did a great work, many of bugs can be spotted after just playng a match or two. the only reason why SI are releasing the games like this is because they know they will sell the game due to their fame of being the best producers of this kind of game, because if they we're a new company trying to sell this game they wouldn't last a year on the games market.

mdschneids

oh and i think that the closing down bug is not fully fixed: my world class players will only tackle if they i have the sliders of tackle and pressure to the max becausw otherwise they will only run near the AI players and wait for them to do something.
AI are still too perfect, my world class players won't be creative despite having 17+ on it and tin he other important stats, on another hand AI players with 10 on creativity will make andawesome play. i see an injured AI player with 14 pace and 14 spedd running faster then my 17 pace 17 spede player. trying to win a ball in the air is still a joke. everytime my player tackles an AI player the ball will always go to another AI player, 100% of the times unless my player tackles and stays will the ball.. and goes on and on...

retired_matador_uk

I was way to harsh here and i wasnt being objective either.. The game has many very good points also. prob more than problems. Was simply annoyed to see the exact same problems with match engines and tactical appliction as we have been complaining about for what seems years now. Not unplayable and so far seems to be the best.Or is it that i'm simply used to these faults by now?

retired_nsample

One of the issues that Kriss was alluding to above is the issue of fault finding during testing, which leads to fault fixing, which leads to further testing, which sometimes can lead to another, unrelated fault. Multiply this by the numbers of issues raised by the testers and you can start to see the magnitude of the testing/fixing job.

Looking objectively, I would suspect that most of the major issues would have been identified in testing ( due to the sheer obviousness of them ) but the problem is that the time frame from release to the testers to Demo release is not sufficient for any major changes to be made and tested.

FM is a copmplex game and many players will understand the complexities of the teasting procedures but SI do leave themselves open to this type of criticism every year because of the issue of obvious faults making their way into the retail version.

SI must be aware of this and are obviuosly trying to balance between getting the game right and commercial decisions about release dates- perhaps a rethink is required

Personally, after the demo, I never get the full game till the first full patch is released to minimise frustration.

firefighterhilf

I think this is a little misguided. The game wasn't fine when it was released and had some pretty serious issues. Now if you take the anti-piracy measures into account that are affecting genuine, honest consumers and have a look at the bugs forum you'll see that 'fine' is not really the correct term to use imo.

I certainly don't blame the testers, I've tested games myself and know what a difficult job it is. I'm certain these issues were found but risk and time constraints meant they weren't fixed.

I've been a long term defender of the game but there's no denying that there are some issues at present. No-one's nieve enough to expect a 100% perfect game, but this is the most problamatic release I can remember since CM4.

retired_jesusalberto

Another smart *ss. How come there are so many smart *sses in the forum nowadays.

retired_jesusalberto

I think this is a little misguided. The game wasn't fine when it was released and had some pretty serious issues. Now if you take the anti-piracy measures into account that are affecting genuine, honest consumers and have a look at the bugs forum you'll see that 'fine' is not really the correct term to use imo.

I certainly don't blame the testers, I've tested games myself and know what a difficult job it is. I'm certain these issues were found but risk and time constraints meant they weren't fixed.

I've been a long term defender of the game but there's no denying that there are some issues at present. No-one's nieve enough to expect a 100% perfect game, but this is the most problamatic release I can remember since CM4. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with ur opinion Chopper99, too bad many fansboy nowsday are just newbie in the game (not newbie in the forum), they even did not know how "great" were SIG in CM4.

firefighterhilf

I'm not calling anyone a 'fanboy' just offering my opinion, which happens to be different to davidbowie's opinion.

This has so far been a good discussion regarding peoples vies on this release, please don't spoil it by resorting to personal insults or generalisations.