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Each to their own I guess, whatever makes you enjoy the game.
I think I speak for the majority of users on these forums, however, when I say that playing the game without cheating makes for much interesting save-games.
Here's another one: The usual situation of board accepting some offer for a top player. Assume the other team and the offer is magicaly gone! Again you used underground tactics, connections etc.
I have a friend who is a purist. He doesn't play games again or help his team. He assumed Sete from the French National and managed to bring it up to Ligue2. Meanwhile, throughout the year he was losing money and he could do absolutely nothing about it. As a matter of fact, he had one of the lowest attendances despite leading the league. At the end of the season the team got promoted as I said. A few important contracts were expiring. The players were happy to stay with the team but the board wouldn't give them the money they were asking for, because of the bad economic situation. He refused to follow my advice and finance the team. The players left and the new season started. Naturaly, the team was strugling and at the same time losing more money (although many players left and the team was promoted, which should mean more income). At the end it was bankcrupcy and relegation. And I ask: why should he play an obviously flawed scenario without cheating?
I mean, the game has problems. Why not overcome them?
Originally posted by Bodis:
<BLOCKQUOTE>The logic though is, to add realism to the game
Adding realism to a football management game by quiting after a loss and rebooting.....yeah, because that happens irl all the time </BLOCKQUOTE>
Did you not know that the save and re-load tactic is how Alex Ferguson has managed to win so many Premierhip titles? And it's how Greece won Euro 2004.
Originally posted by red_mice:
First of all let me reassure you that I love the game. Me and my friends couldn't be more hyper at the final days before the release and run to the stores to get it that glorious morning. I was introduced to it last year, became instantly a manic player and been playing a lot ever since. After many many games I concluded to a way of playing, the red mice way, which I would like to share
1) I don't download super tactics. You don't have to use the great tactics developed by gurus. I never use them or try to develop such a tactic. Many people, every year, try to find gaps in the game's logic, details that the developers missed, flaws etc. by moving the sliders up and down, changing the players positions in the pitch, the arrows etc. It doesn't have to do with football, it's just a gimmick. Fair play to the ones who enjoy it, though.
2) I can't play english leagues because of the known problem of overrated players. Sorry, but when dirk kyut, who wouldn't get a job in an amateur swedish club, has such attributes, I just don't bother. I use some teams from england though to finance my team as most of them are rich.
3) I get rid of players that I don't need by forced transfers, meaning I enter a new player who buys them. It is impossible to sell them normaly no matter how hard you try. They can stay transfer listed for ever, whereas real managers can get rid of someone if they want to. Very easily. So, I just do it myself.
4) If the club makes a loss month after month, finance it with a little help from a new player. How else can this problem be fixed? By looking at how much bonuses some players get per appearance or some other minute detail like that? Absolutely boring.
5) I win a few games at the beginning. At the start of all seasons, AI will try to break you by not leting you win. Don't give in. Cheat & win for a couple of games and then it surrenders.
6) I win the cup. The cup is very easy to win, a few miniscule teams at the beginning, some more challenging later. You get a trophy without trying to hard, the people love you etc. If you are a good team you can also win a European trophy. Again, a few matches only, and you got yourself some silverware.
7) Occasionaly I win the league. You don't really have to win it a lot. A few times are enough, to keep the game interesting. The league is usually a pain in the neck to win, you have to stay concentrated for many games, so do it every 2 or 3 years and you're grant.
8) I get my hands on talented youngsters. If your team has not many hot prospects go get some from others. The usual problem is that they won't come or their managers won't let them. Just assume the team and release the hot prospect you want for your team. Then go and sign him. It is not even cheating. In real life, it is called the underworld of agents, business and the right connections.
That's all for the beginning, I'll think of more during the next days. The logic though is, to add realism to the game by helping your team by any means you can, just like real managers.
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