retired_dysart147

Let me add one of the most troubling trends is top-flight DCs with poor jumping and pace attributes.

retired_cnaisnice

Again, the rightmost number is for savegame 4. I've also added a new section that tracks players who never achieve their potential. Pretty interesting finding.

Savegame 4: August 1, 2013

Total number of players: 52331...53322...53260...55119

Players under 21:

190 - 200 PA: 2.....6.....7.....10
180 - 189 PA: 21....22....39....41
170 - 179 PA: 111...94....99....110
160 - 169 PA: 160...112...92....94

190 - 200 CA: 0.....0.....0.....0
180 - 189 CA: 2.....0.....0.....0
170 - 179 CA: 0.....0.....1.....0
160 - 169 CA: 2.....6.....0.....0
150 - 159 CA: 12....13....4.....0
140 - 149 CA: 34....23....7.....2
130 - 139 CA: 71....70....24....18
120 - 129 CA: 183...110...59....77

Pace and acceleration >= 15: 1666.....1357.....1033.....947

All-around athletes* : 113.....117.....38.....34

*Defined as pace & acceleration >=15, agility & balance & jumping & natural fitness & stamina & strength >=10

Players between 21 and 24:

190 - 200 PA: 6.....5.....3.....5
180 - 189 PA: 39....29....21....19
170 - 179 PA: 92....110...99....79
160 - 169 PA: 227...189...139...93

190 - 200 CA: 0.....3.....2.....0
180 - 189 CA: 2.....3.....3.....1
170 - 179 CA: 15....25....24....9
160 - 169 CA: 24....65....57....17
150 - 159 CA: 60....156...133...95
140 - 149 CA: 173...280...290...182
130 - 139 CA: 353...540...475...356
120 - 129 CA: 746...821...818...539

Pace and acceleration >= 15: 2016.....1300.....811.....564

All-around athletes* : 366.....331.....211.....139

*Defined as pace & acceleration >=15, agility & balance & jumping & natural fitness & stamina & strength >=10

All players

190 - 200 CA: 1.....5.....4.....6
180 - 189 CA: 18....23....28....16
170 - 179 CA: 68....95....105...97

Wasted Potential
[i]This section will track those players who never reach their potential. We're seeing regens with good PA, but they never seem to develop. This hopefully will shed some light.

Players who underachieved* >= 50: 302.....222.....104.....104

*Defined as players between 27 and 30 whose PA >= 150, but their PA - CA >= 20. These players are in their peak years, but have not come close to reaching their potential.


International Caps

Players under 25 with international caps: 1273..1280..1168..905
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 2.....13....21....11
Oldest player >= 170 CA with no caps: Gianluca Pegolo[32] - 170 CA

England
Players under 25 with international caps: 13....7.....4.....3
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 0.....1.....5.....1
Scott Sinclair[23] - 174 CA

Spain
Players under 25 with international caps: 9.....5.....4.....2
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 0.....7.....5.....3
Bojan[22] - 179 CA

Italy
Players under 25 with international caps: 5.....9.....10....1
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 0.....1.....1.....2
Alexandre Pato[23] - 184 CA

France
Players under 25 with international caps: 9.....7.....6.....3
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 0.....2.....6.....1
Obertan Gabriel[24] - 167 CA

Germany
Players under 25 with international caps: 16....8.....1.....0
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 0.....0.....2.....1
Toni Kroos[23] - 172 CA

Holland
Players under 25 with international caps: 20....10....7.....2
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 0.....0.....1.....1
Ismael Aissati[24] - 170 CA

Brazil
Players under 25 with international caps: 21....13....9.....4
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 0.....1.....4.....3
Alexander Pato[23] - 184 CA

Argentina
Players under 25 with international caps: 18....13....8.....3
Players under 25 >= 165 CA without caps: 0.....1.....1.....0

Analysis

Since we are six years into the game, almost all under-21s are now regens. If we compare the

current results to savegame 1, we see that regens have PA, but drastically low CA. There's only 20 players over 130 CA.

The same thing is seen for players 21 to 24. Their average CA is now much lower than the first savegame. There's another strange occurance for this group. Notice how the number of high PAs have decreased. This is odd considering that the high number of high PA youth in the first savegame.

Does this mean that the first batch of youth are retiring before reaching 24?

The slow development of youth have taken its toll on international caps. There are only a handful of under-25 players in national powerhouse teams.

As for the new wasted potential test, we are a decrease in underachievers. The results really surprised me as I thought players were not developing. But this would indicate otherwise. In fact, the high CA for all players stayed consistent. We'll have to keep our eye on this.

retired_cnaisnice

Please disregard the ">=50"

retired_kranis22

Why does it seem more and more like SI's community members are playtesting the games for them?

Lets face it, this new game feels like it wasn't playtested at all at times.

interesting experiment though

retired_jkennett2001

i was obviously referring to his second statement

retired_GoBlue31

Good post.

I obviously haven't done any proper research like you have but anecdotally I am seeing very similar results on my game, which is now in 2015.

There are basically only a handful of newgens in any of the national teams at the moment. I decided to give miniscout a go and check out the PA/CA and it is shocking. I actually managed to sign a striker with PA of 198 (without cheating i might add) but after years and years of me doing everything I can I have so far only managed to get his PA to 140. I found I have the same situation with some other team members I have signed.

The AI isn't really doing much better either. I haven't seen a wonderkid since near the start of the game either.

I'm glad to see there are players with good PA coming through on yours though because they seem to be lacking on mine. In terms of the England U21 squad the highest PA I can find on any of the players is about 150.

Another point like you mention is players I have had for years with good CA are not being picked by the national squads either ? I find this baffling as they are not even being called up despite being better.

retired_GoBlue31

Actually the England national team have 2 newgens in the squad, both have a CA of 147.

retired_grean4x4

To stand any chance with someone at 198PA they have to have:

* 100-120 CA at 17
* 15+ /year CA growth rate until 22.

If not, he'll be miles off his PA and you're better off buying a guy with a lower PA but with better starting CA.

retired_Gtor3636

This is a clever experiment and it verifies what I suspected byt looking at new players. Their physical attributes are very bad. At first I was thinking that they will get better when they grow older. But then genie came out and I was surprised to see that the very good new players would be excellent with their technique but stay slow, weak and sissy. Thank god for the editors, or else in 10 years I'd have a team as athletic as the guys that watch them from home.