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Old 11-21-2007, 03:56 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #31
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:36 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #32
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This is what the defense lawyers had to say after the trial:
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Outside the court, Mr. Bugden called everything from the charge to the arrest to the trial's outcome "unfair" and "unjust." He said he and Jeffs's other attorneys will be doing everything necessary to have the result overturned.

"Had he been charged with performing an illegal marriage, that would have been completely different," Mr. Bugden told reporters. "But Mr. Jeffs did not intentionally or recklessly encourage rape."

As a result of the trial, Mr. Bugden suggested that any cleric -- whether FLDS prophet, rabbi or minister -- who performs a religious marriage could be found guilty if a member of their congregation commits a rape.
I have to admit it seems a bit like he was being persecuted for his beliefs. Should the fact that we detest his beliefs play any role in a court room? Sounds to me like the state attorney suing a mob boss for tax evasion and then seeking the maximum possible sentencing because they can't get him for anything else. Maybe that's a good thing, I'm not sure.

I don't want to defend his actions, but lets put it in perspective. He married off a young girl in a society where that is common practice and then gets held accountable for the actions of her husband. The main reason they were able to bring up the accomplice to rape charge was that when the girl complained to him about her husband he told her to repent and give herself to her husband "mind, body, and soul". This sounds a lot like bad advice from other religious nuts, with the exception that the girl in question was extremely young.

I still think he deserves punishment for this and countless other actions he did during his reign, but I'm not so sure that he's really an "accomplice to rape". Like his lawyers said, couldn't that in theory make any priest, rabbi or even marriage counselor an accomplice?

The real shame is that this kind of practice will continue, and nobody is doing anything to stop it. There are anti-polygamy laws in Utah just like in any other state, but local law enforcement has a policy of not intervening. Why don't we ensure that these people are subject to the same laws and have the same rights like everybody else?
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:38 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #33
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Bet most European countries have far more polygamists than the US.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:43 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #34
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Bet most European countries have far more polygamists than the US.
Whats it like in Spain?
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:45 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #35
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Probably in the tens of thousands.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:46 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #36
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Probably in the tens of thousands.
You must have quite a Harem. Are you sure you're not a self-hating Muslim?
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:49 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #37
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Nah, I hate everyone except myself.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:17 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #38
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The real shame is that this kind of practice will continue, and nobody is doing anything to stop it. There are anti-polygamy laws in Utah just like in any other state, but local law enforcement has a policy of not intervening. Why don't we ensure that these people are subject to the same laws and have the same rights like everybody else?
That's because they're all members of his tinpot cult. They tipped him off when the feds/state law enforcement were coming to get him allowing him to spend years on the run. They drove out hundreds of boys and young men from his "town" so there'd be less competition.

And the conviction is perfectly fair. Freedom of religion in a western society goes only so far as to, rightly, allow one to practice his religious beliefs to such an extent as they're within the law. It does not get you a pass to encourage and enable crime, or at least it shouldn't. Within the context of his conviction, he's an accomplice to statutory rape at the very least.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:24 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #39
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Didn't that bloke who got a blow job off a 15 year old get 10 years too? He must be laughing, at least he got a blow job out of it.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:34 PM   Utah sect leader gets 10 to Life for being accomplice to rape Post #40
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Didn't that bloke who got a blow job off a 15 year old get 10 years too? He must be laughing, at least he got a blow job out of it.
Apparently this lad repeatedly raped his 5 year old nephews.
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