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11-22-2007, 01:44 AM
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How would you save English football ? Post #101 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by ericcantona7:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>yeah Rooney so skillless.
| Never said he wasn't. He is an exception at present though surely ? </BLOCKQUOTE>
yeah because world class players weren't exceptions 'back in the day'? 4 for every position iirc. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Steve Bull went to the 1990 World Cup iirc. Steve Hodge in 1986. genuine world class imo.
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How would you save English football ? Post #102 | | Newb
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Originally posted by qualitystreet:
Too many games is to blame, see my other post on pre-qualifying, get rid of the Carling Cup or make it just for reserve teams in the Prem.
Its not so much we've got worse, we've stagnated and other teams have got better. I am old enough to remember England beatging Turkey 8-0 and Finland 5-0. Doesnt happen any more.
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11-22-2007, 01:44 AM
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How would you save English football ? Post #103 | | Newb
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probably not true in either case btw, but you get the point.
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11-22-2007, 01:45 AM
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How would you save English football ? Post #104 | | In Orientation
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Originally posted by Nick OGS20:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by poyplemonkeys:
<BLOCKQUOTE>So which of, Joe Cole, SWP, Lampard and Essien is a defensive midfielder? I'll give you a clue, it's not Essien.
| To you too then Nick. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Essien far more capable defensively than either Gerrard or Lampard. there's a reason you don't play with that midfield four very often as well. </BLOCKQUOTE>
He's not a defensive midfielder and we don't play with a defensive midfielder unless we're playing the 5 man midfield. Makelele is a defensive midfielder.
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11-22-2007, 01:45 AM
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How would you save English football ? Post #105 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by poyplemonkeys:
<BLOCKQUOTE>So which of, Joe Cole, SWP, Lampard and Essien is a defensive midfielder? I'll give you a clue, it's not Essien.
| To you too then Nick. </BLOCKQUOTE>
is that you admitting you were completely wrong about Arsenal as well btw?
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11-22-2007, 01:46 AM
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How would you save English football ? Post #106 | | Newb
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Originally posted by ericcantona7:
yeah how did we save English football in '94 and '84, then we managed to do it in two years both times, we didn't then change the whole media/grassroots football, or did we rip it up and start again? I can't remember, I think we should burn down all these new fangled academies, sack all the youth coaches etc, and within 2 years totally revolutionise English football by telling youngsters how to do step overs.
| Jesus - it's not about step-overs or showboating. It's about either grabbing a game by the ******** as Gazza could do, or having something in your locker which can turn a game in a second. Natural ability you cannot coach - you are born with it. Problem is at the moment, it's being discouraged at youth level in favour of producing robots who can run all day.
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11-22-2007, 01:46 AM
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How would you save English football ? Post #107 | | In Orientation
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Originally posted by Nick OGS20:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by poyplemonkeys:
<BLOCKQUOTE>So which of, Joe Cole, SWP, Lampard and Essien is a defensive midfielder? I'll give you a clue, it's not Essien.
| To you too then Nick. </BLOCKQUOTE>
is that you admitting you were completely wrong about Arsenal as well btw? </BLOCKQUOTE>
Well I've seen Arsenal play with midfield of Rosicky, Hleb, Fabregas and Walcott at times I'm sure of it. I don't know Arsenal as well as I do Chelsea though. You don't need a defensive midfielder in a 442 formation.
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11-22-2007, 01:46 AM
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How would you save English football ? Post #108 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by poyplemonkeys:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Nick OGS20:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by poyplemonkeys:
<BLOCKQUOTE>So which of, Joe Cole, SWP, Lampard and Essien is a defensive midfielder? I'll give you a clue, it's not Essien.
| To you too then Nick. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Essien far more capable defensively than either Gerrard or Lampard. there's a reason you don't play with that midfield four very often as well. </BLOCKQUOTE>
He's not a defensive midfielder and we don't play with a defensive midfielder unless we're playing the 5 man midfield. Makelele is a defensive midfielder. </BLOCKQUOTE>
erm, are you just going to ignore any point put to you and keep repeating the same nonsense? Essien is capable enough defensively to get away with playing him in a 442 alongside someone more attacking, as the likes of Vieira and early Roy Keane were. Gerrard and Lampard aren't.
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How would you save English football ? Post #109 | | Joe Blow
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Originally posted by Nick OGS20:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ericcantona7:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>yeah Rooney so skillless.
| Never said he wasn't. He is an exception at present though surely ? </BLOCKQUOTE>
yeah because world class players weren't exceptions 'back in the day'? 4 for every position iirc. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Steve Bull went to the 1990 World Cup iirc. Steve Hodge in 1986. genuine world class imo. </BLOCKQUOTE>
steve bull has a better goalscoring record for england than noo-cass-ull legend andrew q cole tbf
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How would you save English football ? Post #110 | | Joe Blow
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Originally posted by Big Geordie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ericcantona7:
yeah how did we save English football in '94 and '84, then we managed to do it in two years both times, we didn't then change the whole media/grassroots football, or did we rip it up and start again? I can't remember, I think we should burn down all these new fangled academies, sack all the youth coaches etc, and within 2 years totally revolutionise English football by telling youngsters how to do step overs.
| Jesus - it's not about step-overs or showboating. It's about either grabbing a game by the ******** as Gazza could do, or having something in your locker which can turn a game in a second. Natural ability you cannot coach - you are born with it. Problem is at the moment, it's being discouraged at youth level in favour of producing robots who can run all day. </BLOCKQUOTE>
if natural ability is something you can't coach, then exactly who is discouraging it? god?
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