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Old 11-20-2007, 04:21 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #1
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Wow, this is pretty bad for the government, especially if the details get into the wrong hands

From the BBC:

Confidential details of 15 million child benefit recipients are on a computer disc lost by HM Revenue and Customs, the BBC understands.

The chairman of the organisation, Paul Gray, has resigned.

Revenue and Customs says it does not believe the records - names, addresses, date of birth and bank accounts - have fallen into the wrong hands.

Chancellor Alistair Darling is to give a Commons statement on "a major operational problem" at 1530 GMT.

Police inquiries

BBC political editor Nick Robinson said he understood ministers had been aware of the problem for nine to 10 days.

The Metropolitan Police have confirmed they are "making inquiries" into the discs.

A source close to the Child Benefits Agency has told the BBC that they understand a courier was carrying the disc between its headquarters in Washington, Tyne and Wear and London when it went missing - an internal inquiry has begun.

Mr Darling is expected to outline the measures taken to protect those whose data has been lost and explain any delay in making the matter public.

The resignation of Mr Gray was accepted because discs had been transported in breach of rules governing data protection.

In a letter to Revenue and Customs staff, he said: "This is not the way I would have planned to organise my departure from HMRC.

"I had hoped to be around for a while longer, and to have had the continuing privilege of leading HMRC towards the vision we have been developing.

"But I am extremely proud of what all of you in the organisation have achieved during my time as deputy chairman and chairman."

'Difficult job'

He was defended by Jonathan Baume, general secretary of the FDA, the union for senior public servants, who said while there had been a "serious operational error" Mr Grey "was in no way personally responsible".

"His decision to take on this accountability is an example of British public service at its best," he said.

Home Office minister Liam Byrne said: "I think that the department does a difficult job and I think it does it well - the chancellor will set out a full statement and a full account to the background of this story a little later on."

But Conservative MP Michael Fallon, who is vice-chairman of the Treasury select committee, said there had been "persistent rumours that all is not well at Revenue and Customs".

Nigel Evans, head of the Parliamentary All Party Group on Identity Fraud, said he wanted to know exactly what information was on the disc - such as bank account numbers and sort codes - and whether it was encrypted or password protected.

'Horrendous problem'

The Tory MP also said the chancellor would have to explain why he did not immediately publicise the problem: "He should have told the public straight away in order that they could have taken precautions against anyone's information being used by ID fraudsters."

And for the Liberal Democrats, Chris Huhne told the BBC: "It is a horrendous problem, it's one of the biggest failures in a major government department that I can remember.

"It's an enormous delivery problem and I think that clearly that's been recognised by the head of HMRC when he resigned... I would be surprised if we did not see ministerial heads rolling as well."

Customs and Excise was merged with the Inland Revenue in 2005, creating the biggest department in Whitehall. It was also ordered to reduce its 94,000 total staff by 25,000.

It is run by an executive board, but the chancellor is responsible to Parliament for its operations.

It collects taxes and other government receipts worth about £400bn a year, as well as administering benefits and tax credits, which require it to process large amounts of personal data.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:27 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #2
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Revenue and Customs says it does not believe the records - names, addresses, date of birth and bank accounts - have fallen into the wrong hands.
and how exactly do they know that considering they dont have a ****ing clue where the disc is?
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:34 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #3
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i cant wait for customs to merge with us. I know it was a tax/benefits issue on this instance. But just think combinging the idiots who were responsible for this with the idiots at the top responsible for immigration. \o/
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there are 15m child benefit recepients?
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However many there are, it's way too much. Should be scrapped, make people work harder
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What exactly could you do with the information?

Im guessing it would be a lot easier to setup credit cards if you have peoples account numbers?
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The missing disc contains details such as DOB's, addresses, bank accounts for 25 million people :eek:
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However many there are, it's way too much. Should be scrapped, make people work harder
Isn't everybody eligible for Child benefit so long as they have a kid under the age of 16?

My family were getting child benefit for me and we're comfortably above the threshold for any means tested support.
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what i cant understand is why all that info was allowed to be on that disc. Surely this is what secure government computer networks and databases are for. So information can be shared securly between offices.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:44 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #10
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Originally posted by BJG123:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Bouncerboy13:
However many there are, it's way too much. Should be scrapped, make people work harder
Isn't everybody eligible for Child benefit so long as they have a kid under the age of 16?

My family were getting child benefit for me and we're comfortably above the threshold for any means tested support. </BLOCKQUOTE>

You are indeed correct

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Child Benefit is a tax-free monthly payment to anyone bringing up a child or young person. It is not affected by income or savings so most people who are bringing up a child or young person qualify for it.
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