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Old 11-20-2007, 09:24 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #51
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In that scenario blame still shoots up to uber manager D

Who should have ensured that policies were in place and being followed such that for data of this sensitivity there was a clear chain of custody and only those who had been trained and cleared should have been involved in the handling of

This isn't a small leak or a lost laptop

This is the entire national database !!!!!!!
and the only thing protecting it is a password probably related to IT bod A's pet cats name
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:58 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #52
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Quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor_Rigby:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Father Senegal:
its about £20 a week for child #1, and a tenner or so for any other siblings.

Pay ours straight into the kids bank accounts.
I thought it was £20 a week up until the age of one then £10 thereafter?

Might be different in Scotland though </BLOCKQUOTE>

Seventy quid a month or so up here afaik, Brandon gets his into his account at the end of the month.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:22 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #53
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why is all the blame on the revenue, and none on TNT who lost the thing?

if they could do their job then there wouldn't be a problem
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:29 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #54
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It's £18.10 p/w for the first child, £12.10 for each additional child.

Anyway, I work on the Child Benefit helpline, today was a barrel of laughs as you can imagine. And of course we only found out about through people ringing in who'd seen it on the news. It wasn't until about 4pm that we even briefed on it. Utter shambles.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:36 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #55
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why is all the blame on the revenue, and none on TNT who lost the thing?

if they could do their job then there wouldn't be a problem
Because the discs weren't encrypted and it was sent by ordinary courier when it obviously should've been sent recorded or special courier. Basically, the most basic guidelines for sending such classified info wasn't followed.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:33 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #56
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Quote:
Originally posted by LycanGav:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Eleanor_Rigby:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Father Senegal:
its about £20 a week for child #1, and a tenner or so for any other siblings.

Pay ours straight into the kids bank accounts.
I thought it was £20 a week up until the age of one then £10 thereafter?

Might be different in Scotland though </BLOCKQUOTE>

Seventy quid a month or so up here afaik, Brandon gets his into his account at the end of the month. </BLOCKQUOTE>

My mistake, I was thinking about our tax credit.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:42 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #57
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I used to work for the NAO and we sent files back and forward to various agencies, always by normal mail. I think the general public would be surprised at the amount of information that is passed around, particularly for audit purposes.

For example, I worked quite heavily on the CSA audit and had access to entire files which contained (sometimes over 10 years) of names, addresses, bank details, correspondence, court reports, etc etc all sent reguarly via regular post.

Of course it may change now and everything may need to be couriered, but that will obv increase the cost and who ends up paying for that but us?

and i'm not convinced the hype about identity theft actually meets the chances of it happening.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:44 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #58
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Heh, I used to work at the Washington site. HMRC such a shambles imo - very poorly organised and horrendous software to work with.

Details are kept on after a claim has ceased (not sure for how long though), hence the 25 million figure.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:45 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #59
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As good a thread as any to say that Nick Robinson iafc.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:46 PM   15 million Child Benefit details lost Post #60
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Originally posted by Synthahols_for_Girls:
Everyone throughout the chain of command bears some responsibility FFS

Someone put a policy in place regarding transfer of sensitive data
Someone either didn't know the policy, ignored the policy or worse followed the policy leading to this potential catastrophe

Somebody else would have reviewed and approved said policy

And those at senior levels including ministers are paid an large sum of money and perks to hold responsibility for the running of the department

They therefore have to bear the blame for this mess, at least the Head of the department had the sense of decency to do the right thing
Bound to have been a JFDI from a senior manager tbh. Policy and process might as well not exist when a sufficiently senior manager says JFDI.
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