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Old 11-26-2007, 08:34 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #41
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i paid 103 the other day. fcukin tesco.
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:34 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #42
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Red_Hector:
Never unstood the beef with farmers. They can only use red diesel for agricultural machinery, and they are the only people who HAVE to live in the middle of nowhere so petrol for their private travel costs more.

We heavily tax other damaging and luxurious things so I don't see why petrol should be any different.
well it's a bit hypocritical of them to complain about fuel taxes when iirc they get tax breaks for it? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't most people who have company cars for example get breaks for it too. I don't know because I don't actually own a car.
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:45 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #43
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I remember posting a similiar post to the one I`m about to post, the last time we had the strikes and all i got was mvoe out of bloody Scotland then, so here goes.

There are areas in Scotland (and parts of England and Wales to a lessor extent) which are a long way from anywhere, with no public transport, due to it not being cost effective.

Its these rural areas that are hit worst, as they have to drive as there is no other way, its not a luxury its life. Of course we could go all third world and start using horse and cart, but its not reallly an option.

My work is 20 miles from my house, with no public transport link inbetween, so any price hike hits me. At least in cities you have the option to use the crap public transport, I`d have to become unemployed if it we up too much.

I know this is the reality of the few, but it is something that has to be taken into concideration. I would be better off with the road charging policy, where cars pay more for travelling on congested roads, making all the ones I use being cheapest.
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:48 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #44
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I know this is the reality of the few, but it is something that has to be taken into concideration. I would be better off with the road charging policy, where cars pay more for travelling on congested roads, making all the ones I use being cheapest.
Hasn't that been mooted in the past ? Certainly perhaps the technology isn't there at the moment, but it could be in the future.
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:48 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #45
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Quote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Doog:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Red_Hector:
Never unstood the beef with farmers. They can only use red diesel for agricultural machinery, and they are the only people who HAVE to live in the middle of nowhere so petrol for their private travel costs more.

We heavily tax other damaging and luxurious things so I don't see why petrol should be any different.
well it's a bit hypocritical of them to complain about fuel taxes when iirc they get tax breaks for it? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't most people who have company cars for example get breaks for it too. I don't know because I don't actually own a car. </BLOCKQUOTE>
afaik people who have company cars get a fuel allowance as well, not sure if the company gets tax breaks on that although I wouldn't be surprised

verbal - isn't it possible to car-share?
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:49 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #46
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bg - the technology is definitely there, it's already under consideration and once again the ignorant proles are up in arms about it because apparently it amounts to a big-brother style surveillance or something
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:53 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #47
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you get taxed heavily for company cars, it's not a benefit anymore
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:55 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #48
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Quote:
Originally posted by Doog:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Red_Hector:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Doog:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Red_Hector:
Never unstood the beef with farmers. They can only use red diesel for agricultural machinery, and they are the only people who HAVE to live in the middle of nowhere so petrol for their private travel costs more.

We heavily tax other damaging and luxurious things so I don't see why petrol should be any different.
well it's a bit hypocritical of them to complain about fuel taxes when iirc they get tax breaks for it? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't most people who have company cars for example get breaks for it too. I don't know because I don't actually own a car. </BLOCKQUOTE>
afaik people who have company cars get a fuel allowance as well, not sure if the company gets tax breaks on that although I wouldn't be surprised

verbal - isn't it possible to car-share? </BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to give my only employee a lift to work, yeah, but he left and the guy that now works for me travels 40 miles, from the other direction

BG - Yeah, its been talked about before, using sat nav devices to measure what road you are travelling on then charging you depending on whet time you are travelling (rush hour on busy roads would cost more) and what type of road you are using (smaller roads might cost less, depending of usage). This system would scrap road tax and fuel tax, so petrol would be around 35p a litre (I think).

The problm is the technology is not quite there yet and people are afraid of it (big brother style tracking, speeding fines etc etc.) so it looks unlikely to happen.
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:58 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #49
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bg - the technology is definitely there, it's already under consideration and once again the ignorant proles are up in arms about it because apparently it amounts to a big-brother style surveillance or something
Technology is not quite accurate enough of full-proof enough. driving along a parrallel track to a main road, but on private land would still incur charges due to the close proximity. Then there is the whole charging policy which would kill any government.
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:26 PM   UK fuel protests set to resume in the next few days Post #50
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I would fine with fuel price increase if it meant lower public transport costs but that ain't happening. Rip off Britain.
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