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Originally posted by Brian of Nazareth:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Meitheisman:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Brian of Nazareth:
there's a difference between light hearted exchanges of ros-bifs and frogs, and then talking about pakis and nig-nogs tbf.
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THAT, I think is racism my friend since you differenciate between people based on their origin. Why would it be fine to make fun of the Frenchs and not the Pakistanis?
To me it sounds like you're insinuating that the "Frogs" are smart enough to understand that it is a joke but not the "Pakis". Either that or you are for some reason putting the French above the Pakistanis.
I'll agree that it all depends on the context though but if the context is the same (i.e: a joke on a forum) then all those terms should be considered equal
imo. </BLOCKQUOTE>
not at all, im talking about the specific words used. Frog is generally used in banter, though obviously when xenophobic feelings are aroused by bellends, ie at sporting events it might be used in more belligerent and aggressive tones.
someone who either bandies the word 'paki' around is generally either quite ignorant or is probably fairly racist themselves - ie it's generally used as a catch-all term for folk of asian descent, ie from bangladesn india etc.
obviously, you're right context is still important and if the term 'frog' offends you, then I can see how you get at that point.
But not to be captain obvious about it, if someone says any insulting word in empassioned rage, then it's going to be offensive regardless.
some facetious examples:
"you f**king french frog twat" = racist
"shall we have a game of footy with the pakis?" = total ignorance, subconsciously racist, probably considers himself superior to those of a different creed, but would always claim he's not.
"oi ya daft nip, give me a beer?!"
"nah, you honky tonky arse, get it yourself" - banter between two people who know each other.
here ends the lesson from captain obvious. </BLOCKQUOTE>
I perfectly understand what you're saying but in my opinion there's nothing bad in saying "shall we have a game of footy with the pakis?" just like I wouldn't see anything wrong if someone told me "shall we have a game of footy with the frogs". It's obviously not someone trying to be racist but more someone trying to be funny, then you chose to laugh or not at the joke but I don't think this should be considered racism.
Oh and for the "You fcuking frog" thingy of course that would be insulting but you can replace frog by any word that doesn't group people by nationality or race and it would still be insulting. ie: "You fcuking football player" is insulting but not racist. I don't think a word itself should be considered racism, it completely depends on context and forbidding people to use a word is restricting one's freedom of speach
imo.
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