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Originally posted by postal postie:
hmm i was going to disagree witht he initial post but then there is some truth to it.
most of the bands i listen to had great first few albums and then the later stuff is debatable in its quality
overkill,metallica,iron maiden (although they still are good),greenday,slayer,korn,monster magnet.
i think its' a case of running out of ideas but insisting on carrying on rather than stopping like most pop bands do after 6 years.
Would definitely agree on the running out of ideas thing. Green Day a good example. Stuck in a rut really for several albums, release decent if not great albums with the odd occasional good song from time to time. Effectively treading water. Then, it took the political situation in America to really ignite them again to write a masterpiece. Think it may be several years again before we get another album of the quality of Dookie or American Idiot from them.
Originally posted by Victor_Renner:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Geoff:
my 'fix' was to ensure that all musicians signed to a record label weren't given much cash at all...make them live in squalor/borstal type arrangements until the albums are all sold and the end of the 4-album deal has expired.
then give them the money...
all equipment owned by the record company.
i mean, how would the band release their first album otherwise to even get picked up by a major label unless they already had some intruments.
So thus the musician has no money to buy equipment, rehearse, record, tour?
The above is the reason why record label's give the musician money in the first place when signing a deal. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, I didn't necessarily mean instruments, I should hope most bands own their own instruments to start off with. Unless other musicians knew something that I didn't.
Not all label's (including major) would own music equipment (plus transport etc) unless they had sponsorship or a deal with an [insert equipment] manufacturer.
Originally posted by Daaaaave:
hey, I kinda liked garbage. unfair to compare them to dross like green day. mindless, droning, market-tested pop-punk fecal material.
I always feel uncomfortable when Green Day are lumped in with the manufactured pop-punk of today, because they've been around since 1987 and did actually earn their stripes. American Idiot was, at least imo, so far and away better than any other modern day pop-punk release that I still think of Green Day as 'genuine', despite attracting a lot of 'manufactured' fans. Comparing them to some band like Simple Plan who write songs called 'Shut Up' and 'Welcome To My Life'...well, they're an abomination.
No idea why artists turn rubbish, btw. I saw an interview with Bob Dylan where he openly admitted that he could never write anything anywhere near as good or as inspired as in his younger days because it just doesn't come to him like that any more. Lack of inspiration, drop in creativity, mental fatigue after years of playing, writing and self-medicating, a combination of all of the above?
Originally posted by Daaaaave:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by merry_miller:
Is it really just rock musicians ? Whatever the genre it's going to be very difficult for someone to come up with good stuff after a while.
non-**** genres (jazz, blues, classical) are studded with people who have been playing and performing their entire lives. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Can't really compare songwriting in jazz and blues with rock though. Improvisational skills and interpretation of the music won't diminish in the same way that the ability to continually write rock songs that sound fresh.
Can't really comment on classical music though as I don't know composers' canons of work well enough to say at what age their 'great works' were written and whether they experience a prime or not.
Didn't think that the new Eagles album was that bad fwiw, but I've never been that great a fan.
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