Best Player in the EPL?

retired_monica90 · 11-29-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by joe4815162342:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Asmodeus:
The "bottles it in big games" argument so useless. It's a team game.

yeah obviously its a team game, but do you expect John O'Shea to do something special to win the game? Ronaldo is made out to be the best player in the world( By the english media) and he's nowhere near it. Top players like Gattuso just take him for face value, they look past all the fancy step-overs, nothing they've seen before and take him out of the game. </BLOCKQUOTE>

So the best player in the world will win every single "big game" irrespective of not only the opposition but how well his team-mates play around him? Who's that then?

Basically the cop-out description for players you can't fault in more obvious ways.

retired_wendynoelle · 11-29-2007, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Asmodeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by joe4815162342:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Asmodeus:
The "bottles it in big games" argument so useless. It's a team game.

yeah obviously its a team game, but do you expect John O'Shea to do something special to win the game? Ronaldo is made out to be the best player in the world( By the english media) and he's nowhere near it. Top players like Gattuso just take him for face value, they look past all the fancy step-overs, nothing they've seen before and take him out of the game. </BLOCKQUOTE>

So the best player in the world will win every single "big game" irrespective of not only the opposition but how well his team-mates play around him? Who's that then?

Basically the cop-out description for players you can't fault in more obvious ways. </BLOCKQUOTE>

My problem with Ronaldo is that he never seems to produce his best form in the really big games, look at the Kaka in last years CL final, he didnt bottle and in fact set up the wining goal, Fabregas against utd and Liverpool a few weeks ago, those were massive games and he's still able to make the room for himself to pick out killer balls and get on the end of chances.

Utd have 2 games coming up against Derby and fulham, Ronaldo will probaly be MOM in one if not both of them but I'm 100% certain that when Utd play Liverpool on the 16th he wont get a sniff of the ball.

thetaoofshawn · 11-29-2007, 07:18 PM

Schmeichel

Neville
Stam
Adams
Hreidarsson

Beckham
Vieira
Scholes
Overmars

Shearer
Bergkamp

Cech, Rio, Keane, Giggs, Cantona,

retired_jessicadon · 11-29-2007, 07:20 PM

Glen Johnson and Lucas Neill?

Corluka the only one there i'd consider currently comparable with Finnan. Maybe Belletti but i still have massive reservations regardless of his form.

retired_ajardon2 · 11-29-2007, 07:21 PM

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My problem with Ronaldo is that he never seems to produce his best form in the really big games, look at the Kaka in last years CL final, he didnt bottle and in fact set up the wining goal, Fabregas against utd and Liverpool a few weeks ago, those were massive games and he's still able to make the room for himself to pick out killer balls and get on the end of chances.

Utd have 2 games coming up against Derby and fulham, Ronaldo will probaly be MOM in one if not both of them but I'm 100% certain that when Utd play Liverpool on the 16th he wont get a sniff of the ball.

If he doesnt have a sniff of the ball it will be down to Liverpool doubling up on him.
If they do this - it creates more room for the rest of our team to play and hes therefore still doing an important job.

retired_wendynoelle · 11-29-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by smirky:
<BLOCKQUOTE>My problem with Ronaldo is that he never seems to produce his best form in the really big games, look at the Kaka in last years CL final, he didnt bottle and in fact set up the wining goal, Fabregas against utd and Liverpool a few weeks ago, those were massive games and he's still able to make the room for himself to pick out killer balls and get on the end of chances.

Utd have 2 games coming up against Derby and fulham, Ronaldo will probaly be MOM in one if not both of them but I'm 100% certain that when Utd play Liverpool on the 16th he wont get a sniff of the ball.

If he doesnt have a sniff of the ball it will be down to Liverpool doubling up on him.
If they do this - it creates more room for the rest of our team to play and hes therefore still doing an important job. </BLOCKQUOTE>

true

YZFRydn · 11-29-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by joe4815162342:
My problem with Ronaldo is that he never seems to produce his best form in the really big games, look at the Kaka in last years CL final, he didnt bottle and in fact set up the wining goal, Fabregas against utd and Liverpool a few weeks ago, those were massive games and he's still able to make the room for himself to pick out killer balls and get on the end of chances.

Utd have 2 games coming up against Derby and fulham, Ronaldo will probaly be MOM in one if not both of them but I'm 100% certain that when Utd play Liverpool on the 16th he wont get a sniff of the ball.

Hang on Remember the Arsenal-Man Utd F.A cup final the other year before Ronaldo had world superstar status, he ran the show and tore Arsenal apart. Is an F.A cup final against Arsenal not one of the biggest stages?

The simple fact is good teams like Milan know what threat he poses but have the players like Gattuso who are the very best at what they do to stop him.

Ronaldo like him or not will usually in all games create a match winning chance for someone or score the goals needed to win a game. You laud Kaka because of what he did in the CL last season but have you seen him domestically and how often does he turn it on and Destroy Roma and Inter Milan?

The fact is Ronaldo this year, 2007, has something like a 1 in 2 goal record from the right wing, was the biggest, but not the only, factor in Uniteds title win destroying teams by himself and turns it on in all competitions for club and country.

I'd like you to point out one other player with a rep like Ronaldos who runs the show in every big game they play in.

retired_wendynoelle · 11-29-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Taz & The Devil:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by joe4815162342:
My problem with Ronaldo is that he never seems to produce his best form in the really big games, look at the Kaka in last years CL final, he didnt bottle and in fact set up the wining goal, Fabregas against utd and Liverpool a few weeks ago, those were massive games and he's still able to make the room for himself to pick out killer balls and get on the end of chances.

Utd have 2 games coming up against Derby and fulham, Ronaldo will probaly be MOM in one if not both of them but I'm 100% certain that when Utd play Liverpool on the 16th he wont get a sniff of the ball.

Hang on Remember the Arsenal-Man Utd F.A cup final the other year before Ronaldo had world superstar status, he ran the show and tore Arsenal apart. Is an F.A cup final against Arsenal not one of the biggest stages?

The simple fact is good teams like Milan know what threat he poses but have the players like Gattuso who are the very best at what they do to stop him.

Ronaldo like him or not will usually in all games create a match winning chance for someone or score the goals needed to win a game. You laud Kaka because of what he did in the CL last season but have you seen him domestically and how often does he turn it on and Destroy Roma and Inter Milan?

The fact is Ronaldo this year, 2007, has something like a 1 in 2 goal record from the right wing, was the biggest, but not the only, factor in Uniteds title win destroying teams by himself and turns it on in all competitions for club and country.

I'd like you to point out one other player with a rep like Ronaldos who runs the show in every big game they play in. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Fabregas runs the show for arsenal, teams know what he's gonna do but cant handle him. Messi for Barca

YZFRydn · 11-29-2007, 08:33 PM

Ratinho if you please or any other Arsenal fan. Does Cesc Fabregas run the show and destroy all teams in the biggest games Arsenal play every single time?

tbh no player does and to single out Cesc as unstoppable and yet dismiss Ronaldo seams a bit stupid to me.

Likewise as good as Messi is he isnt good each and every game and doesnt play well in every big game Barcelona play.

retired_monica90 · 11-29-2007, 08:41 PM

Agreed Taz, it's the point I was making earlier about just how ridiculous the "bottles it in big games" criticism is.

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