retired_khabmth

Yea I realised that soon after my first post (during an argument in another thread ) and I do think that the "not about nationality" thing makes it legal. Well spotted :thup:

retired_v_meenucancer

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and well done on being completely incapable of grasping how giving the bigger leagues even more spots would further entrench their position, no matter how many times people try to explain it to you

retired_anneduck

When did I say that, please oh please quote me... and as you said in the Scottish thread "please read the thread" </BLOCKQUOTE>

Its pretty much a guarantee when you give the rich leagues and the same teams so many places year in year out that you can guess 12 of the 16 without even thinking about it. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe it's because these 12 teams are above the others? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Or because they get every advantage to be there every year? The competition being so predictable in the group stages is not a good thing, it means there's gross inbalance between the teams that didn't exist before.

retired_sedimohasel

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and well done on being completely incapable of grasping how giving the bigger leagues even more spots would further entrench their position, no matter how many times people try to explain it to you </BLOCKQUOTE>

There's a difference between understanding and agreeing.

retired_sedimohasel

When did I say that, please oh please quote me... and as you said in the Scottish thread "please read the thread" </BLOCKQUOTE>

Its pretty much a guarantee when you give the rich leagues and the same teams so many places year in year out that you can guess 12 of the 16 without even thinking about it. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe it's because these 12 teams are above the others? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Or because they get every advantage to be there every year? The competition being so predictable in the group stages is not a good thing, it means there's gross inbalance between the teams that didn't exist before. </BLOCKQUOTE>

The "advantages" you are talking about are based on rules that are the same for every league and that have been the same for every league ever since the inception of the rules. ie: if you have one of the top 3 UEFA coef then you'll have 2+2 teams in the CL.
If small teams started to consistently get good results they'd get more spots. Until they do I don't see why we'd artificially get them more spots just because you think that this is the way to make them better.

Raptor

Like you did with the UEFA Cup you mean? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Arsene Wenger is responsible for demeaning the UEFA cup? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, i thought it was Platini's quote

But why not blame Wenger </BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if it WAS Platini's quote, you're still blaming the wrong man :/

CBA to read the whole thread, but from day 1 I was certain the Cup Winners part of Platini's plan was just included as a bargaining tool. The real plan was to get more champions in the CL.

Small minded press, the big leagues, the G14 et all so happy about their Pyrrhic victory

retired_anneduck

The 'weaker' countries did get great results until the placement system was skewed in the favour of the top three leagues as I recall in 2000. The system gives the top 3 enough of an advantage in points that it's pretty much impossible for them to lose that place. Teams from outside the top 3 were regular finalists/winners in the 80s/90s.

Obviously it's only since the inception of the current rules in 2000 that the gap has grown to such an unhealthy and uncompetitive extent. Which makes the system very flawed.

retired_rinkjustice

Like you did with the UEFA Cup you mean? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Arsene Wenger is responsible for demeaning the UEFA cup? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, i thought it was Platini's quote

But why not blame Wenger </BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if it WAS Platini's quote, you're still blaming the wrong man :/

CBA to read the whole thread, but from day 1 I was certain the Cup Winners part of Platini's plan was just included as a bargaining tool. The real plan was to get more champions in the CL.

Small minded press, the big leagues, the G14 et all so happy about their Pyrrhic victory </BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't really think moving the 3rd placed teams into the group stage automatically and retaining the 4th placed teams' spots in the qualification scheme, but moving it back one round, qualifies as a pyrrhic victory

retired_v_meenucancer

yes and you're doing neither

don't expect you to agree, because you clearly have a completely bizarre idea of what the champion's league should be.

although i don't expect you to understand either, because every time someone suggests that maybe the current system major skewers things in favour of teams from the big leagues you blunder straight through it

fully expect you to just reply with something along the lines of "well clearly it isn't unfair, because if the other teams were good enough they'd win", because you don't get it at all.

retired_sedimohasel

Can you understand what you read?

Please don't get all offended and defensive and try to understand what I'm trying to say.

I want the top 32 teams of Europe to be in the "Champions League".

Okay, I get the point, they won't all be "Champions"

But it isn't a "League" either, right?

So since the name is wrong, can we just apply the original idea of this competition? imo the original idea wasn't to get all the "Champions" into one cup and see who wins it but rather to figure out who the best team in Europe was.
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Now you can disagree with whatever it is that I said, it's only fair but argue against my actual points and not against what you think is what I'm saying.