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Originally posted by Father Senegal:
If its to sent ***** like Keane off, then absolutely.
I still dont understand this apparant unified hatred for Keane on otf... He's not dirty, plays fair. Granted he has a winge in games but dont most players?
There are far more glaringly clear candidates to hate so vehemently imo...
12-03-2007, 11:44 AM
Should the 4th official have a say in decisions during matches? Post #22
Originally posted by Barnzy:
Shouldnt need to ask the him, should have enough help with the linesman, I dont think linesman help the ref in enough in general, there was an incident yesterday when either Lennon or Chimbonda was clearly fouled right at the feet of the linesman and he didnt even flag for it.
Linesmen are allowed to help the ref. He might not have agreed with you in that specific situation.
12-03-2007, 11:47 AM
Should the 4th official have a say in decisions during matches? Post #23
Originally posted by Mr Wallin:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Barnzy:
Shouldnt need to ask the him, should have enough help with the linesman, I dont think linesman help the ref in enough in general, there was an incident yesterday when either Lennon or Chimbonda was clearly fouled right at the feet of the linesman and he didnt even flag for it.
Linesmen are allowed to help the ref. He might not have agreed with you in that specific situation. </BLOCKQUOTE>
I know they are allowed, the point I am making is that they should offer/ be asked their opinions more.
12-03-2007, 11:48 AM
Should the 4th official have a say in decisions during matches? Post #24
Originally posted by Mr Wallin:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by H.O.V.I:
However if he has seen an incident like Dowd did yesterday it should be his decision and his alone. Don't think it would work if they both have an opinion on the same incident as if hey differ then who is right, there cannot be a long debate about the decision during the match so the ref on the pitch has to judge how he sees it even if he might get it wrong. But he should still have the option if he has not seen an incident at all or very clearly.
It doesn't (and shouldn't) matter if the ref saw the incident or not. The 4th official should be allowed to alert and advise just as the linesmen can. Though of course it will be the ref's decision in the end, he is the only one allowed to make decisions and/or dish out cards. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't agree with that tbh, if a ref has seen an incident clearly then he should be able to come to decision on his own. If he cannot do that then maybe he should not be officiating. Don't really need a ref asking for help all the time unless he cannot give a fair judgement.
12-03-2007, 12:27 PM
Should the 4th official have a say in decisions during matches? Post #25
the Keane hate is justified, he is a **** but hes a good type of ****.
I think you can clearly see dowd telling rennie that say "he is giving him a red" just to warn him. I don't think he asked for his opinion but no-one seems to of picked up on that except on the radio last night. Its like when John Terry called Ledley King a 'nigg*r no-one seems to of picked up on it. '
12-03-2007, 12:34 PM
Should the 4th official have a say in decisions during matches? Post #26
Why not have input from them in cases where they have a better vantage point. No one knows if he took "advice" from thr 4th official yesterday. He was standing right there on top of the incident (Dowd) so i fail to see how anyone on the pitch could have had a better view. If the 4th official looked at the monitor and thought it was a stamp then he's an idiot. If you cant tell from 5 yards away whether it was a stamp or not then i'd go with 'No'
12-03-2007, 12:35 PM
Should the 4th official have a say in decisions during matches? Post #28
Originally posted by H.O.V.I:
Don't agree with that tbh, if a ref has seen an incident clearly then he should be able to come to decision on his own. If he cannot do that then maybe he should not be officiating. Don't really need a ref asking for help all the time unless he cannot give a fair judgement.
Asking for opinions even if he saw it is far from "asking for help all the time" though.
12-03-2007, 01:52 PM
Should the 4th official have a say in decisions during matches? Post #29
Originally posted by SSC:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Father Senegal:
If its to sent ***** like Keane off, then absolutely.
I still dont understand this apparant unified hatred for Keane on otf... He's not dirty, plays fair. Granted he has a winge in games but dont most players?
There are far more glaringly clear candidates to hate so vehemently imo... </BLOCKQUOTE>
Agree, starting with the entire arsenal team a couple of years back. Prime hate material
12-03-2007, 02:17 PM
Should the 4th official have a say in decisions during matches? Post #30
I believe they stated that he was only telling the fourth official that Keane was about to be sent off and that he should be ready for confrontational Spurs staff etc
Makes sense to me, but they used the fourth official in the World Cup final to make a correct decision, if the decision to be made is clear cut and can be done in an instant just because of a better position I have no problem with it.
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