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Old 12-03-2007, 09:50 PM   European Championship 2008: The Draw (dec 2nd) Post #221
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Croatia is better, not bigger.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:15 PM   European Championship 2008: The Draw (dec 2nd) Post #222
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bet you romania get through along with france.
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:45 AM   European Championship 2008: The Draw (dec 2nd) Post #223
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bet you romania get through along with france.
Just like R.O.I are a big team yeah...?
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Old 12-04-2007, 02:34 AM   European Championship 2008: The Draw (dec 2nd) Post #224
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Croatia is better, not bigger.
History only takes you so far though.
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Old 12-04-2007, 02:39 AM   European Championship 2008: The Draw (dec 2nd) Post #225
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Originally posted by Mr Wallin:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by PMLF:
Czechs and Croatia big?

When it comes to being big teams, they are way below Portugal, Germany, Holland, Netherlands, Italy, France and Spain (and England too, if they had qualified for the tournament).

They are 2nd tier teams, regardless of FIFA's ranking (which nobody takes seriously anyway).
So clearly just believing he hype rather than facts.

Croatia clearly bigger than england both in FIFA ranking, in actual play (beat them home and away) and they also actually have a WC medal in the last 30 years.

England has a great league but their national team is waay worse, don't confuse them. </BLOCKQUOTE>

the WC medal point is a bit poor really. let's be honest, who gives a flying f**k about the World Cup 3rd/4th place playoff?

otherwise correct though, although it's not as clear cut as you make it and a vaguely capable England manager would make things very different.
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:18 AM   European Championship 2008: The Draw (dec 2nd) Post #226
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the WC medal point is a bit poor really. let's be honest, who gives a flying f**k about the World Cup 3rd/4th place playoff?
Any country that hasn't got extremely exaggerated expectations would (or Brazil ). I'm sure that Croatian fans celebrated it as much as we swedes did in -94 or Turkey in -02. It ain't a win but it sure beats loosing in a QF any day of the week.



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otherwise correct though, although it's not as clear cut as you make it and a vaguely capable England manager would make things very different.
Yea I know. My main point wasn't about belittling the english though but rather upping the croatians and the czech.
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:37 AM   European Championship 2008: The Draw (dec 2nd) Post #227
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England's WC/continental cup history is poor compared to Argentina, Brazil, France, Italy and Germany. And it's similar to/slightly better than Holland and Spain.

But it's better than Croatia or the Czechs.

From 1990 onwards, England reached the WC semis once and two Q-Fs.

The Czechs played it once (2006) and were eliminated in the group stage (and the Czechoslovak reached the Round of 16 in 1990 IIRC).

The Croats played 3 WCs and reached the semis once and were eliminated twice in the group stage.

In the EC (also 1990s onwards), the Czechs (semis once, final once) did better than England (semis once, Q-Fs) while the Croats reached the Q-Fs once and were eliminated once in the group stage.

Of course, Croatia and the Czechs nowadays seem to have better national teams than England, but neither of them is bigger than England.

The fact England have played most WCs (and won it once) and did reasonably well in most of them (they were only eliminated twice in the group stage) makes them much bigger than Croatia or the Czechs.

In order to be big, you have to do consistently well for several decades, which isn't something the Czechs or the Croats have done (yet, at least).

Obs: I never imagined I would defend the English nat'l team!
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and the Czechoslovak reached the Round of 16 in 1990

I just checked. They actually reached the Q-Fs.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>and the Czechoslovak reached the Round of 16 in 1990

I just checked. They actually reached the Q-Fs. </BLOCKQUOTE>

1962!!
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:17 AM   European Championship 2008: The Draw (dec 2nd) Post #230
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And 1934, but that part of my post was only referring to the 1990s onwards, as neither Croatia nor the Czech Republic existed back then.

The Old Czechoslovak team had some good moments, but I don't know how many of their players were Czechs and how many were from Slovakia.
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