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Not sure if this has any legs but work is very slow & I've been thinking (dangerous I know) so here goes.
As we all know whenever someone comes onto this forum for the first time (myself included) they spend the first few weeks trying to find their feet. Generally the same old questions are asked with the usual responses of it doesn’t exist IRL, you're trying to push the boundaries of LLM or yes that's fine (sometimes with caveats).
I was wondering if any of the regulars either here or in the Hut actually know a real life manager who could clear up some of these common questions & give us an idea of the running of a LL club?
A few that I've either asked myself, thought about or seen posted would be;
Does an actual transfer list that you can access exist? If not how do you find out a player is transfer listed?
Do you get details of players without contracts that are looking for clubs? Again if yes how is this done?
Do you go to watch other games on the off chance you may spot some talent? How do you afford this on your salary?
With your scouts do you just send them off & hope for the best or ask them to look at specific players?
If yes to the later how do you discover the player?
No doubt there are many more but I'm not that bored yet.
The interview that is conducted could then be stickied along with an interpretation of how the real world scenarios would be implemented within the confines of the game.
What do people think & is there anyone in a position to even consider this?
I do know a couple of real managers, both at LL and at top level.
1.)
Yes, Transfer lists do exist. In Germany for example, it is mandatory for a player to appear on the transfer list before he may change a club. Transfer lists are managed by the FA and thus can also be requested there.
Unfortunately, the concept of transfer lists in FM is different, since it's only a filter on the player search and thus gives way more information than a real life transfer list would. If you think it's realistic, go for it.
2.)
Details of players without a contract: mostly this is done by player agents that send information about their clients to clubs. A different way are companies with player databases. As a club, you can subscribe to these companies, and use them to browse through players or use more advanced searches. It depends on how much money you're willing to pay.
There are also free databases around (with less information), some of them also contain information about the player's agent and/or his contract length. Example: transfermarkt.de
3.) Most managers watch other games. It makes a big difference though between watching a game to check out a specific player, or watching a game because you want to learn about a team or tactics. At lower league level, the "scouting" mostly consists of coincidences. Players you find without having looked for them.
4.) See above. Usually, scouts get sent to youth tournaments, 5 a sides, local events, junior leagues, things like this. Occasionally, a representative of a club will check out a specific player because he applied with them (i.e. an ex-player who wants to return or a player who moved town because of a new job).
5.) See above. Mostly coincidence. Also, at lower levels a lot of transferring happens because of personal contacts. Like having a mutual friend. Meeting someone in a pub and talking to him.
I don't know any. But I'd like to see answers to these from a few diferent sources. Mostly out of curiosity.
The nearest playable LL team for me would be Elgin or perhaps Peterhead. I'm wondering if it would be worthwile to send an email asking a few questions.
Originally posted by Cosmo-poof:
1.)
Yes, Transfer lists do exist. In Germany for example, it is mandatory for a player to appear on the transfer list before he may change a club. Transfer lists are managed by the FA and thus can also be requested there.
Unfortunately, the concept of transfer lists in FM is different, since it's only a filter on the player search and thus gives way more information than a real life transfer list would. If you think it's realistic, go for it.
If this is true, then what would other people think about using it to find some names? Obviously, their profile and attributes would need to be avoided, but could the transfer list be generated using very minimal filters? i.e. Transfer Listed/Left Midfielders (or whatever position needed). Obviously, it could leave a lot of room for less zealous LLaMas to 'cheat' or find loopholes and what-have-you. But, if played with good will and realism, I personally don't see why this can't be done. Any other thoughts?
As for knowing a real-life manager, not really. Although, the Swedish ex-England/Current City manager considered buying an appartment next door to one that we have in Manchester.
Originally posted by BluMoon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cosmo-poof:
1.)
Yes, Transfer lists do exist. In Germany for example, it is mandatory for a player to appear on the transfer list before he may change a club. Transfer lists are managed by the FA and thus can also be requested there.
Unfortunately, the concept of transfer lists in FM is different, since it's only a filter on the player search and thus gives way more information than a real life transfer list would. If you think it's realistic, go for it.
If this is true, then what would other people think about using it to find some names? Obviously, their profile and attributes would need to be avoided, but could the transfer list be generated using very minimal filters? </BLOCKQUOTE>
That's exactly how I use it. After all, what's the first thing I when I want to get shot of a player? I transfer list them. I'd be pretty bloody stupid to expect the AI managers to use it as a source of potential targets and then pretend it doesn't exist for my use.
But that's all it is, a list of names of players (for scouting) who the clubs shouldn't out up a fight over losing, even if the players themselves don't want to come.
I agree to an extent with you, Brian. Newbies do seem to think being a LLaMa and being accepted by the community is more important than playing the game and enjoying it.
However, I think this may be a good idea because it will stimulate debate and it's quite interesting too.
My brother in law was manager of his football club about 5 years ago, they are one below the conference regional divisions and I know for a fact he never had time to go and watch other games for scouting purposes. He ran the club, managed the team, one of the youth teams and helped out in training so he rarely had time for anything else.
I will reiterate what someone else said. When I was talking to him about these sort of questions, he said that with the financial status of the smaller clubs in england, you very rarely bought and scouted players from other teams. He had to focus his energy on trials when players wanted to try out for the club and on the youth system they had.
If you put a few questions together I can ask him about it.
Does anyone know a real manager? 
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