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10-22-2007, 07:42 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #331 | | Joe Blow
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Originally posted by TheCranker:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
The civilians aren't the target. They're collateral, like the windows. You weren't going to force the emperor to surrender by killing civilians, but the thought that the next one might be on him, well...
Anyway, when we do that these days we make sure the locals know in plenty of time what's going to happen. Had that been possible at Hiroshima, would we have done it?
| So when can you tell the difference? Your basic argument seems to be when we do it, it's collateral but when the enemy does it it's targeting of civilians. </BLOCKQUOTE>
No. Have you seen me raging about the Germans bombing the UK ever? About the evil Sons of Nippon bombing Singapore etc? You haven't, have you?
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10-22-2007, 07:43 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #332 | | Newb
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So targeting civilians can be justified then?
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10-22-2007, 07:43 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #333 | | Joe Blow
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The justification was of course, to end the war quickly, and considering the allies had all but won it anyway, it could be argued that the means didn't justify the end.
| We should've stopped bombing, you mean?
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10-22-2007, 07:44 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #334 | | Newb
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btw that question is to Retro as well.
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10-22-2007, 07:46 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #335 | | Joe Blow
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Originally posted by TheCranker:
So targeting civilians can be justified then?
| Nope. Where am I trying to justify it? It's a terrible thing to do.
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10-22-2007, 07:50 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #336 | | Newb
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So you disagree with the nuking of Japan? See it as an act of terrorism?
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10-22-2007, 07:54 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #337 | | Joe Blow
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So you disagree with the nuking of Japan? See it as an act of terrorism?
| No. Japan bombed the bejesus out of everyone else's civilians within range. Reap what you sow. Same for the Germans.
I just get ****ed off with revisionists who seem to conveniently forget all of that and blame it all on the nasty Brits and Yanks.
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10-22-2007, 07:55 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #338 | | Newb
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Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
I don't think the objective in either Dresden or the nukings was to kill as many civilians as possible.
| Bomber Command clearly stated the objective of 'breaking morale' with the civilians, after admitting (to themselves) not being able to target military nor industrial targets efficiently, not to mention the careful orchestration (bombs to break the roofs, fire bombs to create a firestorm, then timed bombs to ward off the firefighters) of the destruction of the civilian targets.
Hamburg, Berlin, Dresden were terror-bombing with the aim of killing as many people as possible, nothing else. Didn't shorten the war by a single day, by the looks of it.
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10-22-2007, 07:57 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #339 | | Newb
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Reap what you sow. Same for the Germans
| How many civvies did the Germans kill?
Doesn't matter all that much anyway: two wrongs don't make a right.
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10-22-2007, 07:58 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #340 | | Newb
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Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by TheCranker:
So you disagree with the nuking of Japan? See it as an act of terrorism?
| No. Japan bombed the bejesus out of everyone else's civilians within range. Reap what you sow. Same for the Germans.
I just get ****ed off with revisionists who seem to conveniently forget all of that and blame it all on the nasty Brits and Yanks. </BLOCKQUOTE>
So targeting of civilians OK if they target your civilians first?
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