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10-22-2007, 04:43 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #191 | | Joe Blow
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<BLOCKQUOTE>The Turks have been improving human rights. The PKK still couldn't give a **** about them.
| I can't be arsed working out the percentage wrongness of the hawks in both parties, tbh. As always and everywhere, the vast majority of them (Turks and Kurds) just want to be left the hell alone. </BLOCKQUOTE>
We're not talking about Turks vs Kurds, it's Turks vs PKK. Because the Turkish army aren't terrorists.
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10-22-2007, 04:43 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #192 | | Newb
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Who's 'we'? Why should fighting for democracy be viewed as morally on a par with fighting against it?
| Those who are brought up in a democratic society.
As for the second question... you asked me if I thought fighting for democracy was a cause or was right and I answered that question. A person brought up in a democratic society is far more likely to think it's right, and that would be the cause even if it wasn't right.
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10-22-2007, 04:43 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #193 | | Joe Blow
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Are we saying that purpose of our interference in Iraq is to install a democracy?
| No, it was to gt rid of Saddam. But we thought a democracy was the fairest way to replace him.
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10-22-2007, 04:44 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #194 | | Joe Blow
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Originally posted by Retro:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Who's 'we'? Why should fighting for democracy be viewed as morally on a par with fighting against it?
| Those who are brought up in a democratic society.
As for the second question... you asked me if I thought fighting for democracy was a cause or was right and I answered that question. A person brought up in a democratic society is far more likely to think it's right, and that would be the cause even if it wasn't right. </BLOCKQUOTE>
There are quite a lot of democrats who aren't bought up in a democratic society. Are they right?
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10-22-2007, 04:45 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #195 | | Newb
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Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by DJ:
<BLOCKQUOTE>The Turks have been improving human rights. The PKK still couldn't give a **** about them.
| I can't be arsed working out the percentage wrongness of the hawks in both parties, tbh. As always and everywhere, the vast majority of them (Turks and Kurds) just want to be left the hell alone. </BLOCKQUOTE>
We're not talking about Turks vs Kurds, it's Turks vs PKK. Because the Turkish army aren't terrorists. </BLOCKQUOTE>
hmmmm
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10-22-2007, 04:46 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #196 | | Newb
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the Turkish army aren't terrorists.
| They target civilians. Just because they wear khaki shirts and are financed by their own government doesn't make all that much difference. Too little difference for me to go into the semantics of what exactly is a terrorist and what exactly is an honest soldier.
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10-22-2007, 04:46 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #197 | | Newb
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why the conflation between democracy and self-determination? did I miss a beat?
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10-22-2007, 04:46 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #198 | | Newb
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Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Retro:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Who's 'we'? Why should fighting for democracy be viewed as morally on a par with fighting against it?
| Those who are brought up in a democratic society.
As for the second question... you asked me if I thought fighting for democracy was a cause or was right and I answered that question. A person brought up in a democratic society is far more likely to think it's right, and that would be the cause even if it wasn't right. </BLOCKQUOTE>
There are quite a lot of democrats who aren't bought up in a democratic society. Are they right? </BLOCKQUOTE>
There are quite a few autocrats brought up and educated in a democratic society. Are they right?
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10-22-2007, 04:46 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #199 | | Joe Blow
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by DJ:
<BLOCKQUOTE>The Turks have been improving human rights. The PKK still couldn't give a **** about them.
| I can't be arsed working out the percentage wrongness of the hawks in both parties, tbh. As always and everywhere, the vast majority of them (Turks and Kurds) just want to be left the hell alone. </BLOCKQUOTE>
We're not talking about Turks vs Kurds, it's Turks vs PKK. Because the Turkish army aren't terrorists. </BLOCKQUOTE>
hmmmm </BLOCKQUOTE>
Doubt genocide is what's on their minds.
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10-22-2007, 04:47 PM
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Let's wind Bert up, shall we ? Post #200 | | Joe Blow
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Originally posted by Retro:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Retro:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Who's 'we'? Why should fighting for democracy be viewed as morally on a par with fighting against it?
| Those who are brought up in a democratic society.
As for the second question... you asked me if I thought fighting for democracy was a cause or was right and I answered that question. A person brought up in a democratic society is far more likely to think it's right, and that would be the cause even if it wasn't right. </BLOCKQUOTE>
There are quite a lot of democrats who aren't bought up in a democratic society. Are they right? </BLOCKQUOTE>
There are quite a few autocrats brought up and educated in a democratic society. Are they right? </BLOCKQUOTE>
No, they're autocrats. They have it disastrously wrong.
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