Let's wind Bert up, shall we ?

retired_rinkjustice · 10-22-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by finneys13:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Kizzak:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by finneys13:
So you don't agree that if a people make a majority in an area of a country, they should have the right of self-determination? Why should the Kurds be ruled by Turks, when they want to rule themselves?

I profoundly disagree with that idea.

They can do it the hard way like we did, or they can suck it up and deal with it.

That is unless you'd see no problem if regions or cities in England decided to up and declare themselves autonomous for whatever reason. </BLOCKQUOTE>

To qualify for self-determination, you need to be a region that can be self-sufficient, ie. not Kosovo, and to show that your culture is at least fairly different to the country you want to succeed from.

I think the Kurds qualify, and they have been fighting for it, the American Government has labelled them terrorists as they want to keep the Turks friendly, and the Turks have beaten down the Kurds horribly for uprising. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Liverpool?

What about if all the muslims in England moved to a particular area, became the significant majority in the area, and decided they wanted the right of self-determination?

retired_ks reddy · 10-22-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by eldiego1984:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Not labelled as terrorists because of all the bombings, kidnappings and assasinations then?

Terrorism has become (or will become) a bit of a joke if the Kurds are considered terrorists </BLOCKQUOTE>

Eh? The Kurds aren't. Who has designated the Kurds as a terrorist organisation?

retired_ks reddy · 10-22-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by TheCranker:
Bert calls terrorists anyone that doesn't dress up in bright red uniform and fights in rows while blowing trumpets.

I'm the snidey one in green sneaking about unsportingly in the bushes, tbf.

retired_wwl77 · 10-22-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Eh? The Kurds aren't. Who has designated the Kurds as a terrorist organisation?

PKK the Kurds, it's much the same thing..

retired_rinkjustice · 10-22-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by eldiego1984:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Not labelled as terrorists because of all the bombings, kidnappings and assasinations then?

Terrorism has become (or will become) a bit of a joke if the Kurds are considered terrorists </BLOCKQUOTE>

The PKK has been on the terrorist list for years

bombing civilian targets and planting mines are a quick way to get on the list

retired_ks reddy · 10-22-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by eldiego1984:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Eh? The Kurds aren't. Who has designated the Kurds as a terrorist organisation?

PKK the Kurds, it's much the same thing.. </BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Not even slightly.

retired_jabda · 10-22-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by finneys13:

And the Turkish army don't, on a larger scale?

If the Americans want to make the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organisation, than the Turkish army should be one too.

Why? </BLOCKQUOTE>

They have done the same or worse to the Kurds compared to what the Kurds have done to them, and the Turkish army is anti-democratic.

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Originally posted by Kizzak:

Liverpool?

What about if all the muslims in England moved to a particular area, became the significant majority in the area, and decided they wanted the right of self-determination?

Obviously you need to show that the grouping that want self-determination has been native to the area for some centuries.

And I think most English would be happy for Liverpool to succeed.

retired_jabda · 10-22-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Kizzak:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by eldiego1984:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Not labelled as terrorists because of all the bombings, kidnappings and assasinations then?

Terrorism has become (or will become) a bit of a joke if the Kurds are considered terrorists </BLOCKQUOTE>

The PKK has been on the terrorist list for years

bombing civilian targets and planting mines are a quick way to get on the list </BLOCKQUOTE>

So the American Army is a terrorist organisation then? And the Israeli? And many of the Western Armies?