Let's wind Bert up, shall we ?

retired_jabda · 10-22-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Jasari:

Under this circumstances why should I?for example at the end of world war 1 they made a referandum in the southeastern city called antakya(iskenderun)..People living in that city (mostly kurds and arabs) were force to decide about joining syria or Turkey.People had choosen new Turkish Republic.Today,under heavy provacation of minorities by foreign powers, there will be no just or objective referandum.If there is Turkish kurds will vote for Turkey..Believe it or not.The difference beetween is not that big as you imagine..Without interference of foreign powers kurdish problem in Turkey could get a solution easily.Pkk is not representing biggest part of the kurds.You have to understand that very well.

This time they'll not be voting to join Syria or Iraq, this time they'll be voting to form a Kurdistan. And being Kurdish and stupid, that's what they'll vote for. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Also our Turk here has forgotten that Antakya (Antioch for us Hellenphiles) is nowhere near 'Turkish Kurdistan', so I don't even know why he mentioned it.

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Originally posted by Jasari:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cobbler:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Jasari:

and what is so funny with Turkey winning WW1?What the f uck do you study in your schools?

Treaty of Sevres? The fact that Istanbul was occupied by allied forces? Fact that large portions of Ottoman land were divided up amongst what you appear to think were the losers? That Turkish forces had to fight another war just to regain control of what is now Turkey?

What do you study? </BLOCKQUOTE>

They dictated us sevres yes..But that treaty was torn before it become real by Ataturk.The idea of sevres is still alive by creating a big kurdistan and big armenia.Since Turkey installed a new country and protected it is land,what does it tell you?In my book this is winning the war and independence..Europeans want to do what their grandfathers werent able to do.Divide up Turkey according to sevres which stayed on the table. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Turkey lost modern Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon and parts of Saudi and various Greek islands, and any claims to Egypt, Kuwait and the Balkans.

You lost, okay?

retired_justin05 · 10-22-2007, 01:26 PM

I like Turkey because it's always a guaranteed point in Christmas pub quizzes.

FitZiggy · 10-22-2007, 01:27 PM

Jasari I was just watching the movie Midnight Express. Its a pretty good movie isnt it?

retired_bemesel · 10-22-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jasari:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by DJ:
Say, Ottomanboy, there a reason you keep calling me a pig, specifically.

You are a muslim. You are bitter as feck that the military thwarted your Quran-bashing brothers from usurping power for the so manieth time.

You, of all people, should not be using the name Kemal in any discussion, you traitor.

Dont try to pull you to somewhereelse you pig.I call you pig because you are a pig.You beheave like a pig.I called you sneak,mother****er,subhuman and with other names too.Dont tell me you like our military now?BTW where do you know that I am a muslim?**** you in general you ****in pig.You are a loser here and loser in life.I have more money than you can f uckin dream of.so f uck off..

MUSTAFA KEMAL FOREVER </BLOCKQUOTE>

This goes off on more and more tangents. Where did money come into it?

Oh and I have more money than anyone on this forum! Its all in my World's biggest Pig Bank.

retired_tedacia · 10-22-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by finneys13:
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So how about a referendum on independence in the part of Turkey that has a large number of Kurds living in it? What most people would call Turkish Kurdistan, as compared to Iranian, Iraqi or Syrian Kurdistan.

-----Then most people will also call half of the world as Ottoman Empire or Roman Empire etc.Then everybody can call the world however suits their interests.The fact that there are no kurdistan yet.Whenever it is officially declared,in the same day it will be destroyed.

Why does Turkey want to keep a people that don't want to be in the country, that is hardly the democratic way?

---Why?Where do you know that?We woudnt allow foreign interference.It is simple as that.F uck the way democracy america and west wants.You shape up the word of democracy the way you want.America brought democracy to iraq right?

The Turkomen, Assyrians, Marsh Arabs, etc. have not been having a good time in Iraq recently, but what has that to do with the Kurds in Turkey, which was what I asked you?

---Turkey have many ethnical minorities,if everyone takes arms and attacks everywhere just because they are not treated fairly,is this something right in democracies?Which democracy will alow that?Will your country allow it too?Kurds always been speaking their language freely.This issue exaggerated by the west.Caucasians and other ethnical minorities speaking their language freely too.When it comes to education,it will be only in Turkish since they are living in a Turkish state.In Turkey there are many ethnic people having much harder problems than kurds but they try other ways to solve to problems.Not by spilling blood.

In 1913, Turkey ruled the Middle-East, bordered by Russia, Persia, meaningless Arabian states and British Egypt, by 1924ish, the Turks had lost all of that, and are confined to your present borders more or less.

-----Does that mean that we lost?We rised from our ashes..

You did well at Gallipoli and beat the Greeks, I give you that, but overall you lost quite badly.

-----This is your short history knowledge..In gallipoli we didnt beat greeks..We fought against british empire who brought tons of soldiers from their colonies around the world.We also fought there with frenchs at the same time.They came to finish us and we kicked their ass badly.When it comes to protect the motherland Turks will sacrifice anything.

retired_drumcook · 10-22-2007, 01:34 PM

Hmm, so by Jasari's defintion, all of the particpants in both World Wars 'won'.

This isn't one of those non-competetive school sports days we're talking about you know.

retired_justin05 · 10-22-2007, 01:36 PM

Can't believe anyone is trying to have logical arguments with this guy. Proof of how boring the British workplace is of a Monday morning.

btw Turkish dude if you want to get properly banned in this place need to make a joke about black people.

retired_jabda · 10-22-2007, 01:57 PM

So you don't agree that if a people make a majority in an area of a country, they should have the right of self-determination? Why should the Kurds be ruled by Turks, when they want to rule themselves?

And you misunderstood the Greek part, you beat the British/ANZAC in Gallipoli, you beat the Greeks when they invaded Anatolia after 1918.

retired_princesspouty · 10-22-2007, 02:02 PM

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Can't believe anyone is trying to have logical arguments with this guy. Proof of how boring the British workplace is of a Monday morning.

wCs.

If I can't be arsed to get involved in a pointless historical argument then it must be beyond crap.

retired_ks reddy · 10-22-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Jasari:
When it comes to protect the motherland Turks will sacrifice anything.

So seeing as how you got your arses handed to you in eastern Turkey, you agree that it's not part of the motherland?

Let's wind Bert up, shall we ?

Grab a beer, sit back and relax.

Let's wind Bert up, shall we ?