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Dallas 2-1 Kansas City
DAL: Cooper (3) 4, Pitchkolan (1) 94+
KC: Zontica (1) 92+
Att: 17,429

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It seems this is going to be a long season for them... Again! :thdn:

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Interesting post at Logan's Revenge:

Are things ever a confusing mess with the Red Bull New York transition, both on and off the field.

Everyone I talk to within the organization seems to be in the dark. The front office is just a mess of rumor, misinformation and "I don't know". With all of the talk of Coach Mo, rumors were rampant that he was done, then it was, "well if we lose to RSL", and then it's an answer telling me Mo is staying. Some speculation is that Red Bull could not get the man they really want, and so Mo is still there. The name I have heard, but cannot get confirmed is ex-Cosmos star Carlos Alberto.

In the front office is working to put their people in place like the new managing director announced today, and a soon to be hired soccer director. There are other positions to be filled and certainly that makes those already in those spots, a touch nervous.

Over on the field things are equal mess. The French World Cup vet, Dorjkaeff and Amado have just stopped speaking to each other. Guevara has "zoned out" and the common roster player is confused and unsettled. There is also the rumor that the aforementioned french midfielder got wind of Mo's dismissal, he threatened to quit. And they traded for the Haitian internatioal Peguero for Thiago Martins, and for a 1st and 3rd round picks in the 2007 draft. Not exactly a small amount for a player that has made little impact (14 goals in 46 games) and costs you a SI slot. Question: Who made this trade?

No one can report any sort of calm on the horizon. Frankly, I find the whole thing fascinating.

Long standing MLS fans, especially ones that pay attention to such things, will have concern if RBNY decides to (re) introduce a coach or front office personal that are not familiar with the MLS way of things. As far as MLS has come in getting in line with the rest of the soccer world, it still in many, very important ways, is very different. I have to wonder if either RBNY will end up with more frustration, or will RBNY pressure MLS top brass to peek their collective heads out into the world of spending on players (i.e.: the rumored "David Beckham rule") and in turn allow teams like NYRB to acquire name players that might have a decidedly international feel.

It's the Metrostars all over again.

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Originally posted by PMLF:
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It seems this is going to be a long season for them... Again! :thdn:

Chivas look a lot better than they did last season. I think they can make the playoffs.

RSL on the other hand...

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PMLF - You can't judge a team by their record after 4 games. Like Jason said Chivas is playing a lot better this year. And RSL....well from what some of their ex players have said it's a total cluster **** in the locker room. Until that gets sorted out that team will be in the basement

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Originally posted by Gambit:
PMLF - You can't judge a team by their record after 4 games. Like Jason said Chivas is playing a lot better this year. And RSL....well from what some of their ex players have said it's a total cluster **** in the locker room. Until that gets sorted out that team will be in the basement

Of course I can't judge after 4 games. But I did it anyway.

Unfortunately for me ESPN is not showing the MLS this season (in Brazil).

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Originally posted by PMLF:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Gambit:
PMLF - You can't judge a team by their record after 4 games. Like Jason said Chivas is playing a lot better this year. And RSL....well from what some of their ex players have said it's a total cluster **** in the locker room. Until that gets sorted out that team will be in the basement

Of course I can't judge after 4 games. But I did it anyway.

Unfortunately for me ESPN is not showing the MLS this season (in Brazil). </BLOCKQUOTE>

Neither is FSC up here. :thdn:

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Originally posted by Jason the Yank:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Daaaaave:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Jason the Yank:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Daaaaave:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Jason the Yank:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by HopOnBaby:
So the Open Cup winner gets nowt? Is there no Sudamericana qualification this year?

Open Cup title gets you **** all. Which is a shame, because that competition really needs something to punch up its importance. The US Open Cup competition is older than the NFL and NBA, but it gets no publicity at all. There have been finals lately with barely 5000 attendance.

For a brief time (like 1 or 2 years) CONCACAF had a second-tier competition (like the UEFA Cup) that the Open Cup winner got entry to. Would be nice if that happened again, but I wouldn't count on CONCACAF to do anything. </BLOCKQUOTE>

there's a reason for that </BLOCKQUOTE>

Poverty, of course. Well, that and all the dollars that have to be directed to Jack Warner's pockets. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking more along the lines of embarrassment when the minnesotas, rochesters and charlestons knock the "superior" mls teams out of the cup </BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean like when the Crewes, Brightons and Peterboroughs knock the "superior" EPL teams out of the cup?

(Or when the Bradleys, Bucknells and George Masons knock the "superior" power conference teams out of the NCAA tournament?)

Son, how many times in the last 10 years has an MLS team *not* won the Open Cup? </BLOCKQUOTE>

don't be disingenuous. you know as well as I do the number of "we don't take it seriously" and "we didn't field our best squad" excuses that pop up when a few mls teams flame out year after year. without the same history, the mls teams have never been as sanguine about going out to a lower league team than in england. it challenges mls's primacy, and they hate that.

2005:
Minnesota Thunder 6-4(aet) Real Salt Lake (MLS)
Rochester Rhinos 3-1 MetroStars (MLS)
Minnesota Thunder 4-1 Colorado Rapids (MLS)
Kansas City Wizards 1-3 Minnesota Thunder

2004:
Minnesota Thunder 1 - 0 LA Galaxy (MLS)
New England Revolution 1 - 1(aet) Rochester Rhinos
Rochester win on penalties, 3-1
Charleston Battery 1 - 0 MetroStars
Richmond Kickers 2 - 1 DC United

2003:
Seattle Sounders 1 - 0 San Jose Earthquakes
Wilmington Hammerheads 4 - 1 Dallas Burn

2002:
Chicago Fire (MLS) 0 - 1 Milwaukee Rampage

2001:
Tampa Bay Mutiny (MLS) 2 - 3 Connecticut Wolves (A-League)
Colorado Rapids (MLS) 0 - 2 Pittsburgh Riverhounds (A-League)
Seattle Sounders Select 3 - 2 Dallas Burn (MLS)

2000:
Colorado Rapids (MLS) 0 - 3 Richmond Kickers (A-League)
Kansas City Wizards (MLS) 0 - 0(aet) Chicago Sockers
Chicago win on penalties, 7-6
Mid Michigan Bucks 1 - 0 New England Revolution (MLS)

1999:
Staten Island Vipers 3 - 2(aet) MetroStars (MLS)
Chicago Fire (MLS) 0 - 1 Rochester Raging Rhinos
DC United (MLS) 3 - 4(aet) Charleston Battery
Dallas Burn 1 - 2(aet) Rochester Raging Rhinos
Columbus Crew 2 - 3 Rochester Raging Rhinos
Rochester Raging Rhinos 2 - 0 Colorado Rapids

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A man down, FC Dallas reserve scores 94th minute winner (Dallas Morning News)

Defense holds until midfielder can deny draw (Fort Worth Star-Telegram)

Wizards unbeaten run ends in Dallas (Kansas City Star)

Martino's goal aids mindset, boosts morale (Columbus Dispatch)

Difficult stretch of season over (Deseret Morning News)

RSL's offseason moves haven't resulted in points (Salt Lake Tribune)

MLS might have a beef with Eskandarian's ridicule of Red Bull (Los Angeles Times)
Lighten up, Graeme.

Homegrown talent (Fort Collins Coloradoan)

MLS needs to import flair players (ESPN Soccernet)

USL1
Defending champion Sounders fall in opener (Seattle Post-Intelligencer)

Sounders cower as Thunder roars (Seattle Times)

Thunder get down to business in opener (St. Paul Pioneer Press)

'Caps fell Timbers (24 Hours Vancouver)

Upbeat signs in team's opener (Miami Herald)

Draw against league's best has hopes high (South Florida Sun-Sentinel)

Mariners win season opener against Toronto (Virginian-Pilot)

USL2
For Kickers, nothing doing in season opener

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Originally posted by Daaaaave:
don't be disingenuous. you know as well as I do the number of "we don't take it seriously" and "we didn't field our best squad" excuses that pop up when a few mls teams flame out year after year. without the same history, the mls teams have never been as sanguine about going out to a lower league team than in england. it challenges mls's primacy, and they hate that.

Well, a lot of those times MLS teams *haven't* fielded their best teams. And they got what they deserved.

US Open Cup hasn't carried continental qualification for some time now, so you're hardly going to go all out for that at the expense of "concentrating on the league." But for USL and PDL teams, the Open Cup is a big deal because everyone likes to be the one to knock off one of the big boys.

I remember watching the then MidMichigan Bucks of the PDL taking Miami Fusion to penalty kicks, and they should have won that game except for a blown offside call in extra time. Guess what? Miami wasn't fielding their top squad.