English Football too stagnant?

retired_nini59 · 12-07-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by mark g:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ericcantona7:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Utter Utter Loser (Ned):
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ericcantona7:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by mark g:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ericcantona7:

I'd love to see how you'd react if at the end of every year all your promotions/pay rises were taken off you and you had to start back from the beginning, equal with all the new employees, as well as the weaker ones, and the lazier ones.

To take that analogy further, the problem currently is how would you react if you were working just as hard and well as the people in each of the three rungs of the ladder above you, but none of them were going to leave and you weren't able to either? So there was little or no chance of advancement however hard you worked.

I agree that the original ideas were nonsense, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a problem to some degree. </BLOCKQUOTE>

that's how life is, it's tough, if someone else got there first then you've got to either work harder to catch up, or accept your place. That's capitalism, the cream rises to the top, with ofc many exceptions. But in this case United are where they are through good management, yes they have money and support, but they had that before they were successful. Clubs like Newcastle, Spurs, Villa, City, Everton, and maybe others certainly have the support that if they were to achieve success in the future they could maintain it, and build up their support base too.

But it's a fact of life that this will get harder as time goes on, people in positions of power will do all they can to hold onto them and you've got to work harder than them and wait for them to make a mistake before you can overtake them.

I wouldn't go to the managing director of my company and say "I could do my supervisor's job just as well as him, even though he's doing his job quite well, so I think you should switch our roles for a bit". </BLOCKQUOTE>

Football really shouldn't be dominated by capitalism though? </BLOCKQUOTE>

well when your company takes it's profits made from football and splits them up amongst the fans, i.e. me, I'll listen to you. Until I get my cheque for my share of your wages though I'm going to ignore you. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I have literally no idea what point you're trying to make there. </BLOCKQUOTE>

he doesn't like football being a business yet he makes a living from it?

Test 187 · 12-07-2007, 07:59 PM

There's actually been quite a bit of work done in constructing theoretical models (mainly using economic theory) of competitive balance etc in sports. Much of the focus has been on US sports, but iirc there have been some done on football, which I couold try to dig up if anyone's interested.

retired_nini59 · 12-07-2007, 08:01 PM

shame I'm doing development economics or else that could've been a very cool dissertation.

Test 187 · 12-07-2007, 08:02 PM

I did mine on Rule Changes and Competitive Balance in F1 :cool:

retired_nini59 · 12-07-2007, 08:03 PM

but yeah it'd be an interesting read :thup:

Test 187 · 12-07-2007, 08:06 PM

I assume you've got access to Athens?

Test 187 · 12-07-2007, 08:08 PM

This one's a pretty easy read and parts may even be accessible to non-economists: http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...468-0297.00599

Click on "full text" in the top right corner to view.