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Old 12-07-2007, 08:19 PM   English Football too stagnant? Post #91
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Thought I'd add one more as this goes into some detail about salary-caps and revenue sharing, and thus seems rather relevant:

http://0-web.ebscohost.com.pugwash.lib.warwick.ac.uk/eh...34c6%40sessionmgr108

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Old 12-07-2007, 08:22 PM   English Football too stagnant? Post #92
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I've got too much to read as it is
Final year?
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Old 12-07-2007, 08:28 PM   English Football too stagnant? Post #93
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ericcantona7:
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Final year? </BLOCKQUOTE>

masters.

the gate sharing and tv revenue stuff is interesting (maybe because it supports my beliefs), and does come up with some points I hadn't even considered. The utility maximisation stuff is interesting too, but despite being quite utilitarian to me it's pretty irrelevant at least in the short run, still again it supports my position .
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Old 12-07-2007, 08:36 PM   English Football too stagnant? Post #94
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Salary cap. No more than £20k per player per week. That's plently for anyone.
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Old 12-07-2007, 08:44 PM   English Football too stagnant? Post #95
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he doesn't like football being a business yet he makes a living from it?
Really? Doing what for whom?

Regardless of that, there's a massive grey area between thinking that football shouldn't be completely dominated by capitalism, and some sort of fantasy utopia where there's no money in the game whatsoever.
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Salary cap. No more than £20k per player per week. That's plently for anyone.
The problem with any sort of cap is that if it's not worldwide you have a mass exodus of talent, unless you set it at so high a level as to be meaningless.
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Old 12-07-2007, 09:28 PM   English Football too stagnant? Post #97
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ericcantona7:

he doesn't like football being a business yet he makes a living from it?
Really? Doing what for whom?

Regardless of that, there's a massive grey area between thinking that football shouldn't be completely dominated by capitalism, and some sort of fantasy utopia where there's no money in the game whatsoever. </BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed but where do you draw the line? it seems to me that whenever this subject comes up (and it seems to be every week) that people have issues with the amount of money at the top level of the game, yet they're quite often the same people who sit at home and watch the games on sky, they are the ones funding it, and thus are part of the problem.

If they expect businessmen to suddenly change their minds and not try and make money out of football (ofc when these guys are investing in your team no-one ever complains), then I really don't know what world they are living in. It's us the fans who have turned sport into commercial enterprise by placing so much importance on success and indeed on 11 guys you've never met kicking a pig skin around.
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Old 12-07-2007, 09:32 PM   English Football too stagnant? Post #98
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Salary cap. No more than £20k per player per week. That's plently for anyone.
why have a salary cap on football and not on corporate business? or rock stars?

I really don't know why people can't see that because football just so happens to be the one industry they take an interest in that it doesn't mean they should get to dictate the industry structure anymore than they would as a consumer in another industry. As for the whole "football is for the fans", yes and it's the fans who are willing to pay the prices. I'd much rather the price of football tickets doubled than the price of bread or milk. But no-one on here ever moans about Mr Warburton earning too much and talks about capping his salary.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by mark g:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ericcantona7:

he doesn't like football being a business yet he makes a living from it?
Really? Doing what for whom?

Regardless of that, there's a massive grey area between thinking that football shouldn't be completely dominated by capitalism, and some sort of fantasy utopia where there's no money in the game whatsoever. </BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed but where do you draw the line? it seems to me that whenever this subject comes up (and it seems to be every week) that people have issues with the amount of money at the top level of the game, yet they're quite often the same people who sit at home and watch the games on sky, they are the ones funding it, and thus are part of the problem. </BLOCKQUOTE>

You're confusing a problem with the amount of money in the game, with a problem with how that money is distributed.

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If they expect businessmen to suddenly change their minds and not try and make money out of football (ofc when these guys are investing in your team no-one ever complains), then I really don't know what world they are living in. It's us the fans who have turned sport into commercial enterprise by placing so much importance on success and indeed on 11 guys you've never met kicking a pig skin around.
The whole point is no-one expects businessmen to change their minds, which is why it needs to be done by governing bodies.
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Old 12-07-2007, 09:37 PM   English Football too stagnant? Post #100
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but why is football different than in other industries? we've already got income redistribution within the game, and I'm all for it, but ridiculous suggestions such as salary caps or banning foreigners won't make the game more competitive.
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