[retired_google]

Originally posted by bflaff:
And Jason, Hillary's biggest lead over her rivals is out West? I'm assuming CA skews these particular results, but still.

I was going to say it's CA, but also Washington (i.e. Seattle) and Oregon (i.e. Portland). There is no way Hillary carries any of the interior West in the general, with the *possible* exception of Colorado and maybe New Mexico if the Republicans play too heavy on immigration. My guess is she'd actually wipe out a lot of Dem gains in the West. No chance Gary Trauner loses by only 1000 votes in Wyoming if Hillary is topping the ticket.

[retired_rinkjustice]

I'm feeling fairly smug today with the way the conservatives are about to all give up on Bush. Seems his goal is to become the most unpopular president ever..

After Bush announced his work with Democrats on the one thing they agree on, that we don't need to fear brown people, this is the response on one of the popular right-wing spots online: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835303/posts

excerpt from wonkette of some of the early comments:

* dEPORT tHE pRESIDENT aND cLOSE tHE bORDERS.
* We still have Tancredo, Hunter and Fred Thompson on our side. This bill wont go anywhere when our representatives start receiving our faxes
* The rule of law has just been thrown out the window. I agree that impeachment is in order.
* And the SELL OUT of the AMERICAN people begins!
* Bring my Step-Son home from Iraq now El Presedente. You don’t deserve his service.
* Bush blasphemy! Shameful leader!
* I’m done with him on this and many other issues. I’ll never vote for him again. Illegal invaders are going to kill us all.
* “BUSH SUCKS” And the leftists blogs are now PROUD of this fool! What a dichotomy.
* I just said the same thing to my husband - my nephew has been ordered back for the second time after being home for only 10 months. I want them home now, why fight and die for this country of Mexico. I just can’t believe I worked so hard to get this man elected not once but twice. NEVER AGAIN - no more money and no more volunteer hours for the grand ole GOP
* His brother Bill was the first black president, now we have the first Hispanic president.
* The conservative movement has now been set adrift….like so much jetsam. Our champion has become our betrayer, IMHO.
* My husband just recently retired and we where planning on going back to Texas but we are now seriously considering Australia. It looks better and better each minute. Our kids want to leave also !!! And you are right, we have been betrayed.
* An thus the united States of America is being sold out by those that claim to love her. May they rot before they die. I see the end of my great nation, the shining star in a morass of mediocre to outright scum countries.
* This is what happens when you kill 40 million unborn US citizens.
* I pray he gets IMPEACHED. This is a dark day in America.
* I have long thought that BJBilly was the worst president in history, now I am not so sure………..At least Clinton stuck to BJs instead of trying to **** the entire country, like Jorge.
* Look this is what it all boils down to, these people in Washington are no different than the celebrities in hollyweird,they do not respect the rule of law or the ten commandments. These people feel they are above the law and can do as they please. And that means they can turn the United States into a third world country.Right now these Washington jackasses are NOT paying attention to Iran because they are too busy making life easier for the RICH in MEXICO.
* The invasion of the United States by the criminal army of Aztlan is complete.

Not voting again for someone who is a lame duck, moving to Australia, immigration somehow having something to do with abortion and the ten commandments, impeachment/no confidence, and faxes.

:*) pure and simple

[retired_google]

WASHINGTON (AP) — A prominent Christian leader said Thursday that "my conscience and my moral convictions" prevent him from voting for Rudy Giuliani should he win the Republican nomination.

In a blistering online column, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson wrote that, should the former New York mayor become the nominee, "I will either cast my ballot for an also-ran — or if worse comes to worst — not vote in a presidential election for the first time in my adult life."

"Many liberal Americans will agree with the social positions espoused by Giuliani. However, I don't believe conservative voters whose support he seeks will be impressed," Dobson said on WorldNetDaily, a conservative news Web site.

A Christian evangelical based in Colorado Springs, Colo., Dobson said he was speaking as a private citizen. However, his words carry considerable weight with the some 7 million listeners of his conservative radio show.

Earlier this year, Dobson said he won't back John McCain because of the Arizona senator's opposition to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. Dobson has given no public indication on how he feels about the other top-tier candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. The two, however, have met privately.

Dobson called Giuliani an "unapologetic supporter of abortion on demand" and criticized him for signing a bill in 1997 creating domestic-partnership benefits in New York City.

He said there were other "moral concerns" with Giuliani, including that he's on his third marriage to "his mistress" from his second marriage and "appears not to have remorse for cheating on his wife."

Last week in a speech in Houston, Giuliani urged Republican voters to look beyond the differences they have with him on social issues and said it was important to respect those with whom one disagrees.

"From the beginning Mayor Giuliani has been straightforward with the American people about where he stands on the issues," said Maria Comella, a Giuliani spokeswoman. "It is a sign of leadership to speak honestly about your beliefs even when it is not politically expedient."

[retired_autumn]

Sounds like Dobson's going to learn the hard way that he doesn't really direct a hive mind.

[retired_rinkjustice]

So enjoyable to see the Republican Party tear itself apart (just like Michael Reagan predicted would happen if Bush was re-elected).

The religious segment, Anti-brown people, and the libertarian wing are all angry at essentially each other.

best quote from some random libertarian bitching about Republicans about to ban Paul from the debates:

Holding which of the following two ideas is enough to disqualify you from running for President of the United States as the nominee of the Republican Party:

1. US intervention in the politics of the Middle East makes it more likely that Middle Eastern terrorists will attack our interests.

2. The Earth is 6000 years old.

[retired_kimmymarlo]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Bush has earned a modicum of respect from me for his position regarding immigration.

this is the right thing to do and I'm pleased that he catalyzed it.

[retired_rinkjustice]

Originally posted by Andy Jordan:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Bush has earned a modicum of respect from me for his position regarding immigration.

this is the right thing to do and I'm pleased that he catalyzed it.

Some of the stuff is just stupid though, the penalty fine is more than a little high to expect all that many to be able to pay it.

That's not even considering the "touch base" **** invented to try to satiate a base that will whine anyways.

[retired_kimmymarlo]

Originally posted by Kizzak:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Andy Jordan:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Bush has earned a modicum of respect from me for his position regarding immigration.

this is the right thing to do and I'm pleased that he catalyzed it.

Some of the stuff is just stupid though, the penalty fine is more than a little high to expect all that many to be able to pay it.

That's not even considering the "touch base" **** invented to try to satiate a base that will whine anyways. </BLOCKQUOTE>at its heart, it's the right thing to do.

frankly, I've decided Bush is probably a great guy, but just grossly incompetent.

[retired_google]

Originally posted by Kizzak:
So enjoyable to see the Republican Party tear itself apart (just like Michael Reagan predicted would happen if Bush was re-elected).

The religious segment, Anti-brown people, and the libertarian wing are all angry at essentially each other.

best quote from some random libertarian bitching about Republicans about to ban Paul from the debates:

<BLOCKQUOTE>
Holding which of the following two ideas is enough to disqualify you from running for President of the United States as the nominee of the Republican Party:

1. US intervention in the politics of the Middle East makes it more likely that Middle Eastern terrorists will attack our interests.

2. The Earth is 6000 years old.

</BLOCKQUOTE>

The Republican Party has become like the Democrats, in that it's less a party and more a coalition of cantankerous factions.

[retired_autumn]

Originally posted by Kizzak:
best quote from some random libertarian bitching about Republicans about to ban Paul from the debates:

<BLOCKQUOTE>
Holding which of the following two ideas is enough to disqualify you from running for President of the United States as the nominee of the Republican Party:

1. US intervention in the politics of the Middle East makes it more likely that Middle Eastern terrorists will attack our interests.

2. The Earth is 6000 years old.

</BLOCKQUOTE>

It's too bad that the debate rules didn't allow Ron Paul to turn to Rudy 'Duh, I've never heard something so absurd in my life' Giuliani and say, "**** you, you ****ing fool."

There's no need to be civil when confronted with this kind of obnoxious, willful ignorance.

Rudy's whole platform, to this point, seems to be, "I was in New York on 9/11." which, by the time we vote will have been seven ridiculous years ago. I'll give him credit for what he accomplished as mayor, but he's been an ignorant dickhead ever since. So please, can one of these 'I wanna be the president' clowns stand up and punch him in the mouth, rhetorically or otherwise, so we can finally get the air out of his balloon?