retired_lexuslady

But nobody is asking you personally. We're discussing it. So why do you fell the need to make the same reply time after time.

We understand Genie Scout is finding FM2008 more complicated than before. But surely we can discuss why FMM didn't seem to have the same issue, or what the complication is etc etc... We understand he's being very enigmatic about it. But surely we can discuss why he is being so tight lipped about it. Maybe he wants to charge for it... Why, if he's so busy, doesn't he let other people help?... If he decides not to do it anymore, will there be no more Scout, or will he pass it on like Nygreen did with him?... Why doesn't he release what he's got so far so people could test it, even if it was the simplest of programs that just pulled the most basic of attributes?... Why isn't there more competition, why aren't people developing their own scouts?...

And these aren't questions for you, these are just some of the many discussions that people try and have before being cut down by all the, stop being judgemental, Genie's a great guy and he's doing it for us, not for himself etc etc, comments.

We know he's a top bloke, we're extremely thankful for Nygreen and himself for developing this tool, and we're not having a go!

But like I've said before, this is a discussion forum, and discussion is good, so why not just let us discuss!

retired_patricia0725

The reason FMM came out quicker than Fm Scout is because they are two different programs that look at different parts of the game.

FMM is a memory editor/reader, while FM scout opens up saved games and gets it's information form there.

As i understand it, the structure of saved games, and the data base has changed for FM 08.

Since Jpee has already cracked FM's DMA, he's sorted.

I think if they guy doesn't have the time to develop this tool, do what Nygreen done. Pass it on.

retired_nsample

Carry on discussing then- despite what you think I am not against dicussion but your discussion is going to be based on little or no facts, conjecture and hypothetical questions

Most people in this thread want information updates ( as the thread title says) and I will do that as I have done for the previous version. If you want a discussion then why not start a different thread about your questions and you can discuss away without my apparent judgemental approach.

retired_Jeet

I'm struggling to find players without scout, feels strange playing without it but still quite fun too. I hope it comes around the same time as the patch but I don't think it will be that soon.

retired_xcallibr

I don't know if any of you program, but as a programmer I can tell you this.

It's much easier to develop an application like FMM than it is to develop something like Scout.

Programing FMM is more like the dirty work, but it's easier as it doesn't require much thinking.

Just change the value in memory, change it again... Check in game if the correct value changed. It did? Great, save the hash code and give it a name (such as Dribbling).

Scout has to read a database... From a file. That's a nightmare. But he's doing it... So s***.

And you don't have to wonder so much. It's not like it's his job or anyone's paying him for that. As a matter of fact, all he got from it thus far are nice but meaningless comments such as "great job" or "thanks", which dwarf next to greedy threads like this one, asking why the hell this bloke isn't doing his job.

He started doing it as a hobby. I'm guessing because it feels good to him when other people feel good because of him. That's nice. But if he's not in the mood for it, if it's not gonna make him fool good... Like I said... It's the greediest behavior to judge him for that.

So give it a rest!

(You said this is a discussion... Well I'm discussing. I'm just stating my point of view. Feel free to disagree, and I'll feel free to reply to that as well if I find the need.)

retired_kassea01

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Your right!!!!

keephealthy1987

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^absolutely!!

retired_magicvii

why not, it's one of the reasons we have brains - to wonder - it's fun - it's human nature

we know

nobody has asking that

we're not judging him - and you're making peoples point for them - that they can't have a discussion about this without other people accussing them of being judgmental, and greedy, and selfish

no

feel free - we live in a free country (hopefully) - it's what's so great about it - free speech


here's an idea though, why don't we discuss scout instead of having a go at each other. if a new thread needs to be made, then i'll make it, in the past though all threads about this have turned into arguments because people won't let other people discuss it without having a go at them.

just like you're doing now stokeoncity

retired_stephanie.anspaugh

I agree with those saying that this is a dicussions so let us discuss. :thup:

As someone else has mentioned, FMM is far easier to make because it works in real time and doesn't need the use of cracking the saved game file... well here is one for you, why not make a scout that works in real time?

I for one would love a scout program that did this, so I didn't have to save my game everytime I want to use it to make sure I have the most up to date set of stats from the game.

(p.s. that's a suggestion or a dicussion, not having a go because genie hasn't already done this before anyone tells me what a top bloke he is).

retired_nsample

Updated informaton from Genie today 5/11/07:

Written by Eugene Tarabanovsky
Monday, 05 November 2007
I'm proud to say the hardest part of work under FM Genie Scout 2008 is done. This part was the one which prior caused me to concern whether Scout is going to be released at all. But now it's all over. So wait for the program to be released in the coming days.

There is not much work left, adapting a number of functions and reworking GUI. No new features are planned as of now.

There were many questions about the source code directed to me. I declare that the source code of FM Genie Scout 2008 will NOT be avalible due to my plans of using some parts of program with commercial purpose.

Thanks for your support and patience.