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For the record I go to the Emirates a fair bit and Fabregas is a midfielder and plays a conventional midfield role.
He has some license to get forward but not at the expense of his other duties and certainly doesnt have a free role.
Anyway back to topic, I agree with the theory about a winger with a free role.
what you should see is the winger generally stays in position but that he does drift centrally more and doesnt track back as often in certain situations etc.
I guess it also depends on the actual player as well.
Ive not personally given the role to a winger but it should work.
Originally posted by Mitja:
the point is I wasn't refering to you roscoe, at all. it's just experience I have on this forum.
you start a thread and there are people who only enjoy to proove you are wrong. they take your every statement and then they laough at you. where I come it's allmost the same, but not even close to this kind of arrogancy. I can except there are people who know more about football then me. the question is can you?
what ****ed me off is how quickly they changed the subhect of this thread. I wrot what I thought about playing FR on wingers, and I also asked people here about their experinece of FR.
at the first opportunity they attacked me, why I play FR on wingers, how much football knowledge I have, and you attcked me if Cesc is playing the FR or not. well is he "ticked to play FR" IRE, I don't know but comparin reallity to FM, my opinoum is thet he is, but that isn't the point of this thread, so that's why I got ****ed.
life and football are relative, you might say that Cesc isn't plaing the FR, I might say he is and the fact is that he is plaing with a lot of freedom with Wenger. we are not going to change that. but that's not the point of this discussion at all.
so all I can say, Im sorry that I made you leave this thread, but if you were trying to disccus if Cesc is plaing free role IRE, then start a new thread.
my regards
So what's your excuse for singling me out then?
I neither changed the topic or attacked you in any way yet you say 'and I'm not going to answer the posts like this, especially not to yours chopper, I've seen it all in CA/PA thread, so I ask you poltely to stay awey of this thread, if you can'.
Originally posted by chopper99:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Mitja:
the point is I wasn't refering to you roscoe, at all. it's just experience I have on this forum.
you start a thread and there are people who only enjoy to proove you are wrong. they take your every statement and then they laough at you. where I come it's allmost the same, but not even close to this kind of arrogancy. I can except there are people who know more about football then me. the question is can you?
what ****ed me off is how quickly they changed the subhect of this thread. I wrot what I thought about playing FR on wingers, and I also asked people here about their experinece of FR.
at the first opportunity they attacked me, why I play FR on wingers, how much football knowledge I have, and you attcked me if Cesc is playing the FR or not. well is he "ticked to play FR" IRE, I don't know but comparin reallity to FM, my opinoum is thet he is, but that isn't the point of this thread, so that's why I got ****ed.
life and football are relative, you might say that Cesc isn't plaing the FR, I might say he is and the fact is that he is plaing with a lot of freedom with Wenger. we are not going to change that. but that's not the point of this discussion at all.
so all I can say, Im sorry that I made you leave this thread, but if you were trying to disccus if Cesc is plaing free role IRE, then start a new thread.
my regards
So what's your excuse for singling me out then?
I neither changed the topic or attacked you in any way yet you say 'and I'm not going to answer the posts like this, especially not to yours chopper, I've seen it all in CA/PA thread, so I ask you poltely to stay awey of this thread, if you can'.
What's that all about? </BLOCKQUOTE>
Just ignore it chopper, it's really not worth it!
He's obviously doesn't want our help, now looks foolish so is just fishing for biters!
Originally posted by Jam Man:
For the record I go to the Emirates a fair bit and Fabregas is a midfielder and plays a conventional midfield role.
He has some license to get forward but not at the expense of his other duties and certainly doesnt have a free role.
Anyway back to topic, I agree with the theory about a winger with a free role.
what you should see is the winger generally stays in position but that he does drift centrally more and doesnt track back as often in certain situations etc.
I guess it also depends on the actual player as well.
Ive not personally given the role to a winger but it should work.
ok let's talk about Cesc. we might have a good example here. maybe he doesn't play FR but when someone is roaming around the pitch, like he does, I would say it is a free role or maybe half free role (my opinoum). do you think wenger plays his wingers on free role?
I think Gilberto or Flamini are playing conventional roles, with well known tactical duties. they have their "defensive roles", in attack other players have more responsebility. why I still think Cesc is playing a free role (in FM lenguage), is simple. I actually belive all his att mids are playing FR. once they are no thier normal flank position, then go to central positions, they come deep, swap positions, change their positions during attack, they have freedom in their moves, deicesons and that's why they are so hard to play against (not the only reason, of course). again he plays also lsmth like playmaker (please don't crucyfie me) role, so it's obvious his job is to link his team together, that's why he plays in the middle. ok, I agree he might not play FR in terms of FM lenguage (maybe Wenger never heard of it ), but's got the job to be a link with every chance to go forward, back... . is it FR, CFreedom, I don't know!!
so, all I wanted to say in the first place doe's anybody know how I can achieve these kind of things. and no I'm not trzyng to adopt Wenger style football, I play good old direct football, with much tactical discipline. I would just like my wingers tp roam around a little more and I don't know how to do it.
since I've seen that FR is working on strikers just fine, but not on wingers. I'm watching (full matches, 2 notches to the left)and enyoing my matches and tried many things, I might think it doesn't work. and also few people agreeing with me.
this match engine is realy smth different of those before :cool:, I would only want my wingers to be more active.
What is free role? and how does it differ from attacking freedom?
To me, they are very very similar as I wouldn't give a defensive player a free role.
Although to argue against my self (its been a long day!) I suppose roy keane was famous for being a defensive player in a free role, running all over the pitch.
hmm, I'll have a think about your wingers though, it does sound a little odd that it doesn't seem to have any effect. Maybe he's got less visibility of where there are gaps in the defence to exploit because he's stuck out on the wing?
Originally posted by Neb:
What is free role? and how does it differ from attacking freedom?
To me, they are very very similar as I wouldn't give a defensive player a free role.
Although to argue against my self (its been a long day!) I suppose roy keane was famous for being a defensive player in a free role, running all over the pitch.
hmm, I'll have a think about your wingers though, it does sound a little odd that it doesn't seem to have any effect. Maybe he's got less visibility of where there are gaps in the defence to exploit because he's stuck out on the wing?
-when you set your player on free role he shold try to play out of his normal position from time to time. think of ronaldinho or messi.
creative freedom is how much you want your player to think and act for homself. you allow him freedom to play diffrently of instructions. (you might play very short passes, and by giving enough CF, player is allowed to do what he wants).
-CF nad FR are conected, since if you give your player freedom to move freely, you would also like him to give hime enough CF to think for himself. but doesn't have to be so.
-FR is given mostly to attacking players, forwards, wingers, att. midfielders...
-hmmm, yes I think wingers could offer much more here (comming deep, to more central positions- making more space for full backs to over-leap...). actually on un-patched version this thing worked much better.
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