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Old 11-29-2007, 12:04 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #11
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that is preffered move, it is the next thing I'll write about.

free role should mean what it sais. to play out off position, not out off pich, of course. lol

now seriously, IRE all the best players are given the FR. why? becouse by giving them FR you are giving them freedom to move up the pitch like they want. of course you want ronaldinho to perticipate freely on attacks. you probably don't want him to hide in the corner and wait. and that is the main reason.

also by giving a FR you would also like him enough Creative Freedom to do with and without the ball what your free role wants.

we all agree that wenger is a great manager. but he wasn't such a player. when he gives Cesc FR, he trusts in his flair, creativty, decisons as he knows that there is more then just pure tactics in football. he hopes Cesc's unpredictiability can win him a match.

adversably there are managers who want their players to play exactly to their tactics, but even those give, at least one of their players some freedom, just becouse football is unpredictable game.
This is completely wrong!! When Arsenal play next watch Cesc very closely, he does not have a free role at all! He plays in centre mid and is doing nothing different from what he was doing last season! Just because he as scored a lot of goals this season doesn't mean he has been given a free role at all.

He will drop deep and collect the ball from the back four and will also pop up in and around the box to support the strikers, this isn't a "free role" its the position and the style that Wenger has asked him to play.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:05 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #12
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please, plaese dont give me that, please.

you can give your GK free role if yyou want.

what positions do ronaldinho, messi, cristiano, hleb, d. alves play??? and still you can see them all over the pitch.

I'm trying to make some debate here.

please go to other thread, for christ sake.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:14 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #13
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please, plaese dont give me that, please.

you can give your GK free role if yyou want.

what positions do ronaldinho, messi, cristiano, hleb, d. alves play??? and still you can see them all over the pitch.

I'm trying to make some debate here.

please go to other thread, for christ sake.
What are you on about!!!

You trying to make debate based on incorrect information!! And by me disagreeing with you and explaining my reason is called debate!! Not someone agreeing with you and saying "yeah your right"!

Everything I have said is fact!

Please try watching some football!!
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:16 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #14
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ok roscoe9, I'm watching arsenal for years now.

well we could discuss if wenger "ticked him with FR" for hours here. it's not just as easy as that. all I want to say is that he gives him space, freedom, he can go left, right, back, forward.

did you see him pressing sevilla bacl line, like he was striker. ok, wenger can talk to him during match we just can't in that manner.

and I'm not going to answer the posts like this, especially not to yours chopper, I've seen it all in CA/PA thread, so I ask you poltely to stay awey of this thread, if you can.

I don't want to spoil this thread by arrgueing with you. I'm sorry I don.t want to be rude. just go to other threads, there are many intersting.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:19 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #15
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and I'm not going to answer the posts like this, especially not to yours chopper, I've seen it all in CA/PA thread, so I ask you poltely to stay awey of this thread, if you can.
Excuse me? The thread you're talking about has turned into an excellent debate about use of PA. Two sides with differing opinions have both been putting reasoned, well thought out arguments across without anyone spitting their dummy out just because someone doesn't happen to agree with their opinion.

That's what a debate is. I'm not sure what you expect to achieve with this thread if you're never willing to consider more than one side of an argument.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:23 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #16
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that wasn't reffering to you roscoe, you are making some debate here. we might have some different wiews on football, right?

it's just that we moved from the thread toppic, remeber, my qoustion was why is FR not working on wingers, it was NOT should you play FR on wingers, and it was NOT, do Cesc play FR.

I just don't want smart guys to teach me about football, if that's OK. if you are the smart guy it's up to you. I just have an issue with smart guys, I'm quite temperamental
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:26 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #17
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ok roscoe9, I'm watching arsenal for years now.

well we could discuss if wenger "ticked him with FR" for hours here. it's not just as easy as that. all I want to say is that he gives him space, freedom, he can go left, right, back, forward.

did you see him pressing sevilla bacl line, like he was striker. ok, wenger can talk to him during match we just can't in that manner.

and I'm not going to answer the posts like this, especially not to yours chopper, I've seen it all in CA/PA thread, so I ask you poltely to stay awey of this thread, if you can.

I don't want to spoil this thread by arrgueing with you. I'm sorry I don.t want to be rude. just go to other threads, there are many intersting.
I really dont understand why you start a thread for "debate" but as soon as someone disagree's with what your saying you ask them not to post!!??

It's a free forum to exchange views and opinions, so dont use them if you cant take people trying to help you and sometimes disagreeing with you!!

I will not post on your thread again as there really is no point wasting my time doing so! All my posts have been helping you, but as soon as I question you opinion you dont want to know. Thats really sad!

PS - On the watching Arsenal point, I've had an Arsenal season ticket for years now and watch them week in week out! Not just the latest game on tv!!
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:30 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #18
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lol
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:38 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #19
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lol
This kind of attitude pretty much sums up the SI forums these days!

Someone who hasn't got a clue start a thread , people with football knowledge responed and help them. They dont like it, have ago, look stupid and then show their immaturity!!

Well done!!
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:52 PM   preffered moves, free role Post #20
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the point is I wasn't refering to you roscoe, at all. it's just experience I have on this forum.

you start a thread and there are people who only enjoy to proove you are wrong. they take your every statement and then they laough at you. where I come it's allmost the same, but not even close to this kind of arrogancy. I can except there are people who know more about football then me. the question is can you?

what ****ed me off is how quickly they changed the subhect of this thread. I wrot what I thought about playing FR on wingers, and I also asked people here about their experinece of FR.

at the first opportunity they attacked me, why I play FR on wingers, how much football knowledge I have, and you attcked me if Cesc is playing the FR or not. well is he "ticked to play FR" IRE, I don't know but comparin reallity to FM, my opinoum is thet he is, but that isn't the point of this thread, so that's why I got ****ed.

life and football are relative, you might say that Cesc isn't plaing the FR, I might say he is and the fact is that he is plaing with a lot of freedom with Wenger. we are not going to change that. but that's not the point of this discussion at all.

so all I can say, Im sorry that I made you leave this thread, but if you were trying to disccus if Cesc is plaing free role IRE, then start a new thread.

my regards
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