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Old 12-04-2007, 05:03 AM   Bizarre correlation between position and goals/sot ratio Post #1
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In my nonstop quest to score a reasonable percentage of my shots I have largely focused on trying to reduce long shots because my squad rarely scores from these. After examining the stats of my squad and watching them play a season and a half on the same tactic now, only my centrally located players take long shots with absurd frequency. Furthermore, my wingers had much better sot to goal ratios than my AMC or ST.I play a 4-2-3-1 with two center backs, 2 full backs, 2 defensive mids, 2 wingers an attacking mid and a striker. The obvious solution is to thus not play any central players. Of course this would result in my team getting slaughtered. So for testing purposes I decided to employ a ridiculous formation as seen here:




The point was to get my DM's, AMC, and ST assigned to outside positions while still getting them to play centrally with the hope that they would take up some of the mentality of wingers, or more so, to be more judicious with the ball. The first result was astounding.



Essien's shots were from headers on corners, and joe cole took a couple free kicks I believe. Unfortunately we couldn't keep up this pace, with the exception of a 7-0 domination of AC Milan (Though we had 120 minutes to score those 7 goals). However, after looking at Drogba's sot to goals before and after the change they saw a noticeable improvement.

Before the change: 10 Goals in 55 Shots on, 18% conversion rate
After the change: 16 goals in 44 Shots on, 36.4% conversion rate.
After the change discounting the Tottenham game as a fluke: 12 goals in 40 shots on, or 30% conversion rate.

My DM's also seemed to be taking less long range shots, though I would have to watch the games in full rather than highlights to show this conclusively.
This obviously requires further testing because this whole test was conducted within one season. However, holiday is even less accurate than normal because my assistant puts in weird subs for my DM's and AMC because he thinks that they are wingbacks and Wingers. I didn't notice any negative affects when making this change to my central players. So, give it a go and see how it works. I'll be sticking with this style for a while so I can hopefully deduce whether it makes any difference or if this is an awesome case of statistical clustering.
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Old 12-04-2007, 05:05 AM   Bizarre correlation between position and goals/sot ratio Post #2
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Those images clearly didn't work, but if you copy/paste the URLs into your web browser they should work fine.
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Old 12-04-2007, 05:38 AM   Bizarre correlation between position and goals/sot ratio Post #3
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Image 1 - Formation

Image 2 - Result

There you go fella!
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Old 12-04-2007, 05:46 AM   Bizarre correlation between position and goals/sot ratio Post #4
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Can you upload your tactic to fmdownloads.net so i, and probarbly other people can take a look, it looks very interesting if its real
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I'll definitely try and upload it for you. I'll put up the before and after version. Hold on while I sort out fmdownloads.net.
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These links should work for at least the time being, however I strongly encourage you to vary your current tactic in a similar fashion(move players out wide then sarrow them centrally) because my settings may not work for your players.
After change
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:21 PM   Bizarre correlation between position and goals/sot ratio Post #7
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This whole thread (if accurate) makes a mockery of the whole tactic theorums etc, and brings into question the whole point of tactics in the game; if something so utterly bizare (and innovative i might add!) is not only the solution to the comical amount of long shots but also works, when in any form of reality such a formation would surely fail.

Good idea btw, i shall be d/l the tactic and giving it a go.
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:31 PM   Bizarre correlation between position and goals/sot ratio Post #8
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I think this tactic proves just how broken the final patch is, if it works consistently that is.

The next thing to do is for people to try it on the beta patches to see if their match engine is really so bad too :/
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:31 PM   Bizarre correlation between position and goals/sot ratio Post #9
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Have noticed that my wingers do put away a better percentage of their chances too to see that could really be part of the match engine is really annoying. The offical patch is making me not enjoy the game for the first time ever
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My wingers seem to score a larger percentage too but i think that is down to the fact that they score a lot of first time shots/headers from close range...one area which does not seem problematic iin the match engine. Central Midfielders miss a lot due to large number long shots and strikers seemingly due to the problems they have scoring 1v1 and when under no pressure from very close range.

Playing mainly out wide and telling strikers to shoot from long range- mixed rather than rarely seems to help. Occasionally they will shoot rather than move forward a couple more yards b4 shooting but you have to remember that although you may think (logically as is the case in real life) this would lead to a better chance in match engine terms it is in fact not the case.
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