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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by exchampionsfan:
Pat - i'm not sure if you were here when they had the recognised clans at the top of the forum. It was in the forum header with a link to the clan website and topic <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Probably not. A page or something would be adequate with clans and detailed links IMO. Shortcuts if you like so people don't have to scan for threads if they choose not to bookmark things.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by Deano
Yeah there are people like this, but I don’t like yellows/reds, blacklist etc, they aren’t constructive in the slightest, are far too subjective and they give no way back for the user, as they would never get a chance to redeem themselves, as mud generally sticks. This will always happen and no amount of blacklist and cards will stop it. I mean the bloke you mentioned above might just have thought that he didn’t have anything in common with you on a non-cm level, or maybe he just thought you weren’t upto his standard , he should have had the decency to inform you of his decision regarding not playing anymore, thats a given, but what one person thinks is a legitimate reason for some form of punishment, another may not, it is just a big can of worms that once opened, ends up causing problems. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whether the person has anything in common with me or not on a non-cm related issue is completely irrelevant to common decency as you yourself acknowledge Deano. At the end of the day, I’ve played champ with people who I know I have nothing in common with but champ, or I’m old enough to be their father, (as you would also have experience of I’m sure Deano), but does this mean I treat them with disregard?Not in the slightest and the behaviour I described is all too common on this forum, as you would know if you tried to source players.
It shows a basic disregard for the efforts of the host, the time he has put in to source players, plus the benefit to said person of getting him involved in a long term quality game, which is what most of us seek.
As for the lack of standard, well I’m sure I remember beating you a few times, on the few occasions we met, although admittedly that could still make me crap :p . No one is saying a blacklist doesn’t open up a can of worms, and yes mud sticks. However, it is quite simple. All the user has to do is inform the host he is withdrawing from the clan. Not too much to ask anyone really. If you don’t want to be blacklisted, then treat other gamers with the respect you would feel should be afforded to yourself. It’s the only way to be rid of the timewasters, which is CMO’s biggest problem.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BelfastNiall:
I’m old enough to be their father<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BelfastNiall:
as you would know if you tried to source players.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats patronising, how do you know I haven't just because I don't do it now ?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BelfastNiall:
No one is saying a blacklist doesn’t open up a can of worms, and yes mud sticks. However, it is quite simple. All the user has to do is inform the host he is withdrawing from the clan. Not too much to ask anyone really. If you don’t want to be blacklisted, then treat other gamers with the respect you would feel should be afforded to yourself. It’s the only way to be rid of the timewasters, which is CMO’s biggest problem.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok, fair point, but how many offences are we talking about you cant blacklist someone for one offence, everyone deserves a second chance at least, but then you get into the problem of who maintains the list of offenders along with other things. Also do people stay on the blacklist forever ? How do they get off it ?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BelfastNiall:
As for the lack of standard, well I’m sure I remember beating you a few times, on the few occasions we met, although admittedly that could still make me crap :p .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I dont remember that, must be my age , and if you did beat me you must be a CM God :p
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Thats patronising, how do you know I haven't just because I don't do it now ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry I don't agree this is patronising and that wasn't the intention. The fact is that I'm speaking from a host's point of view, so it is relevant and current, and as you don't host anymore it is unlikely that this problem affects you. But it does affect many other users which is supposed to be the point of the discussion.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ok, fair point, but how many offences are we talking about you cant blacklist someone for one offence, everyone deserves a second chance at least, but then you get into the problem of who maintains the list of offenders along with other things. Also do people stay on the blacklist forever ? How do they get off it ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok I take your point about this. I'm not denying that proper procedures would need to be put in place to manage it (and I've no time today to try thinking about them.) However, I would think that obviously Dogs should be the one with the power to accept/dismiss blacklist claims. Also I think the power should only be in the hands of those who host, and are known as reliable and committed. Valid reasons need to be provided. I guess a set time limit could be set for the list. It would surely then be up to the blacklisted player to prove he has "turned over a new leaf" by proving committed to a new game. However, the whole idea of a blacklist is supposed to act as a DETERRENT to this sort of behaviour. If people know there is no threat of a response to their behaviour, how then do you propose to deal with this problem Deano? A deterrent has to have teeth
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I dont remember that, must be my age , and if you did beat me you must be a CM God <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Turkey was nice and juicy and the rest of it slid down well...now on to business!!!
CMO in my honest opinion is a shambles!
Its far to much a boys club, we need to be a lot more welcoming to newbies. I am one to blame in ways as i see posts and i give the usual random answers like, use the forum header or look in the tech forum or blah blah blah.
We should be looking to sold tech problems in the forum. Patty has know how about routers and ports, everyone has the manual and can therefor set up a game (in theory) so can help others set it up if they aint realised its in the manual.
Threads need to be left open for people to reply and offer there assistance rather than *use tech forum* closed!
Most of those people aint coming back to the forum!
The idea of stickying some of the helpful topics is a good one IMO, people see the stickys first thing and might click on them. a F.A.Q is a grand idea.
There are new players looking to play online, new to CM new to online, we need to make them comfy WHILE helping them GET a game and helping them keep the rules.
How many hosts when needing new members do more than post in there thread?
How hard would it be to post in the available players lists, or read the list and find suitable players and email them?
I doubt that would be hard.
anyway pudding is up will add more of my insane ideas later!
Ah back after desert and yum was good, ok i thought the CMO webby was pretty much a waste as it cost and people aint gonna pay to play! not when they can come here post there ip and get away with it and then get a short game going.
Some idea's were good on the webby i believe.
I like to hear about other people, there intrests etc etc so i found the player profile things a laugh. (interview stuff i mean)
What else...
i like
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Reading player and clan updates
<LI>off topic thread
<LI>banter
<LI>going in the scots clans IRC room and laughing and trout fighting
</UL>
i dont like
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>people having no disregard for the rules and posting things they shouldnt then doing it again and again without official warning.
<LI>people not doing reports because we all know they only take 10 minutes a week!
<LI>games starting then the host dropping out and leaving people hanging.
</UL>
I think its important the online FAQ is a good read, by that I mean a little light-hearted. Getting the message across without being pompous.
I for one am most certainly interested in what the newer CMOers have to say and their opinions on it all.
I think there should be sticky where all the clans are listed and there is some brief details and links to application pages and report threads. Perfect for a new member to have a gander and see if anything tickles their fancy if they don't want to start a clan. It may be a long thread, am just thinking aloud really. I'll whack an example of what I mean after Eastenders.
I know we have the website, I just don't feel alot of people really use it.
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