retired_plasal

Points 1,2,4,5 and 8 are so abhorrent as to be priority numero uno for FM09.

More than fixing confidence. More (just) than the hilariously inadequate media engine. More than the team reputation being infinitely more important than player ability.

Quality post, well written. I'd say SortitoutSI, but they clearly wont so...

retired_roze

I have seen many silly threads about the game and how it works. Most of them are clearly as a result of people not understanding simple parts of the game e.g. tactics.

But this points made is really valid and they have been so for at least as long as I can remember in this series. A new games comes out every year with small new features, but the main flaw is never being fixed. That flaw is the so-called negotation system and the transfers. It is so-called as there is in fact no negotation. AI ask what the price of the player is, you give AI a realistic price offer, AI says no thanks and do not come back again. I mean, IRL (as this is a simulation) the enquiring club would probably have given a counter offer saying this is how much we are ready to pay. Selling club changes offer and the buying club comes back with counter offer, etc. This does not exist in FM and has never existed, which is the amazing part. No improvement is ever made on one of the most exiting parts in the game for many players.

I also can never get around to understand why a player would like to sit on the bench for a whole season instead of going to a club with less reputation, or even a league down, but which pays 5 times more in salary for just 1 season! Actually, as a simulation, I am always surprised that players would turn down contract offers that 4 - 5 times higher than their current contract and they get to be a key player. For a few very ambitious players that has a secure position in their current teams, but for most other normal players I seriously doubt that this would happen in real life.

I would also like to have anyone from SI to explain why the feature of breaking up the transfer fee in monthly payments has been in the game for so long when it serves absolutely no point under the current economic system in the game. Again, in real life it would be an excellent option and it probably could be in FM as well with a revamped economic system. But as it is now it is just ridiculous and annoying as I have to change the offer from the AI into lump sums instead. For me to offer monthly payments is just pointless as the total fee remains the same and I need to have the total amount of the fee at the time of the transfer anyway.

Again, I just can not understand why this very important feature of the game is not being worked on and revamped between the releases????? Does anyone know???

thecompton

Excellent post :thup:

One more that's been bothering me for years:
You offer a contract to a youngster. He asks for $1000 wage plus $200K signing on fee. You offer him the $1000 he wants but you can now only offer him 50K signing on fee. He rejects you. In order to be able to give him 200K you must offer him $4000 in wages. It doesn't matter if you're Real Madrid and have billions in the bank. It's always the same. I was forced to offer higher wages than requested hundreds of times in order to be able to offer players the requested signing on fees. I just don't see the logic in making signing on fee amounts be relative to the wage you're offering and it's been like this since the CM days.

retired_halfshell69

dammit i knew i'd forget something that had annoyed me - this was it! Spot on. Why am i limited by what i can offer as a signing on fee? It's pathetic, granted i don't expect unlimited singing on fees (as that would just be silly) but i'm sick of (for some reason it always seems to be brazilian) teenagers asking for large signing on fees which force me to increase the weekly wage.

retired_theresa granados

I have a solution for the first problem, basically you just ignore the AI and keep offering lower fees but increasing by a reasonable amount each time. Many times they will accept eventually. Just think of the AI offering as them screwing with you so you don't buy their player.

I am having problems with selling players as well though, not just other clubs not buying them but also that the AI negotiation is crap, what they do is offer a low amount then when I ask for higher, this is what happens:

I ask for slightly higher i.e they offer 9 million I say no, I want 10 million and they quit the negotiations immediately, no "how about 9.25 million"s or "how bout a 10% next sale clause?" or "No we're definitely only giving you 9 million but Maybe we can give you a bit of bonus if he scores a couple of goals/plays a couple of internationals/amount of games"

I ask for a lot more because hes a good player i.e Milan wanted Vidic and offered 30 million, I said no I want 70 million (haha, they won't want him now...will they?) and the next offer they give me is the full 70 million non negotiable? No way is that realistic.


P.S. AI Chelsea have lots of trouble getting Makelele to leave also in the game. Problem is the transfer fees. Not good enough for top prem teams but way too expensive for lower down teams because the player themself doesn't realize they should lower their wage demands at a smaller club. When they become free agents their demands are much less, signed Kewell in second season for Middlesbrough and I realized that. He wouldn't sign with us when he was still at Middlesbrough and was demanding a salary of something like 100k but after he left the club he was very willing and also only asked for wages of around 30k.

An improvement in this game is that I have been getting some unexpected bids for players, even ones that don't get many games but are still good and the AI does realize now that the player also wants higher transfer fees for players not on the transfer market.

retired_vmacalik

Another one for the list

How come your players will drop negotiations immediatley just because you try to lower their appearance fee or goal bonus by a fiver but they never seem to notice that youve changed that £3M signing on fee they wanted to £0?

retired_ehoff15

5) is a problem which we complain a lot over the last few release now. still not fixed.

another one that miss from the list is AI accept a lower fees from other AI club than human club, regardless any other factors such as rivalry, etc

Ollie86

IMO, the transfer system in FM2008 is probably the worst in the series yet. I'm also having the problem where I can't accept a negotiated price occassionally, which I'm sure is bug:

http://community.sigames.com/eve/for...3/m/7412012253

anyone else facing this problem?

Another absolutely infuriating thing is when a player is transfer listed by request, the club has set an asking price and other AI clubs have made bids (and have had siad bids accepted), yet they will reject the bid that I've made of exactly the same value. I'm not even a rival club! Then when I submit an enquiry, the club will come back to me for the asking price and 9/10, when I go to 'view offer', it'll say 'make new offer', rather than 'accept demands'. When I submit this new offer, the offer just gets rejected all the same. I've lost out on some seriously good players over this ridiculous bug. It also never used to happen on prior FMs either.

circlewalker

I'm hoping for a massive restructuring of the transfer module for 09. It's now the part of the game that's in most need of improvement.