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My big fat GK can score more than your big fat GK, (or can he)?
After recent discussion with NepentheZ, and after some inspiration from Nick Hamblin & Harper, I have decided to start a challenge of a different sort, that will run concurrently alongside challenges such as dafuge's challenge and Gundo's challenge, (although it can also be participated in without participation in any other challenge.
I've taking the liberty of nicking some rules from the dafuge challenge and modifying others.
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The Aim.
The basic premise of the challenge is to see how many goals you can score with a GK, (goal-keeper).
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The Rules.
Any team in any league in any nation can be selected.
Any size database may be used.
Any past experience may be chose.
Any nationality may be selected as manager.
National Teams may be managed.
When managing a National team, you may not manually select friendly matches. (this is impossible to check but I will simply disqualify anyone who I believe to be in breach of this rule).
At club level, only competitive matches count, (no frendlies)
At International level, goals scored in International frendlies do count.
You may move teams as and when you wish without limitation.
GK's may only be played in the GK position. You are not permitted for example to play your GK in an outfield position, (even for short periods).
Dual position players, (GK/ST or any other mix), are nor permitted under any circumstances. A player must be a GK and a GK only.
No external utilities such as FMScout should be used and the database should be uneditied. Should SI release a data update, this would be allowed. It is advised that people should update using the latest patches as they are released.
I repeat, absolutely no, (and by no I mean feckin NONE AT ALL EVER), use of the editor is permitted.
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Rules for this thread.
Player naming is allowed, (however I would make a polite request that if you are talking about real players, perhaps you could give them nicknames to avoid spoiling it for others who may not wish to know that they have a budding Chilavert in their ranks.
Discussion of tactics is allowed, but try and keep it pretty basic. For anything in depth, please go to the T&TGF.
Screenshots for anything are encouraged, (and in order for you to be added to whatever sort of list I will be compiling, is a requirement.
08-17-2007, 09:48 PM
My big fat GK can score more than your big fat GK, (or can he)? Post #2
Despite being some 100-odd yards away from the action, goalkeepers have been known to pop-up from time-to-time to score vital goals for their sides. None more so than Paraguayan goalie José Luis Chilavert. A dead ball specialist, he regularly scored from the penalty spot for both club and country and held the record for the most career goals by a goalkeeper until Brazilian Rogério Ceni came along and toppled his figure of 62 career goals. In 1998 he captured the attention of the World's sporting press after curling a free kick around the wall and past his opposite number during an International against Argentina in Buenos Aires and in 1999 he became the first goalkeeper to score a hat-trick in the history of the game (for Velez Sarsfield against Ferro Carril Oeste). But in today's game players like Chilavert are the exception rather than the rule.
This wasn't always the case, however. Prior to 1912, goalkeepers regularly appeared on the score sheet thanks to rules that allowed them to handle the ball up to the halfway line. It was under these rules that two opposing goalkeepers both scored in the same match (Third Lanark v Motherwell, 1910) - the one and only time such a feat has ever occurred in a first class fixture...until August 2nd 2000 when Velez Sarsfield's Jose Luis Chilavert (who else?) and River Plate's Roberto Bonano both netted from the penalty spot in a Copa Mercosur tie!
Between the Sticks
Arguably the most famous goal of all time by a keeper was Pat Jennings' effort in the 1967 Charity Shield while playing for Spurs against Manchester United. His goal clearance flew past opposite Number Alex Stepney after being caught by a gust of wind. Unfortunately for Stepney, the whole incident was caught on camera by Match of the Day.
The first recorded instance of a goalkeeper scoring direct from a goal-kick was on April 14th 1900 when Manchester City's Charlie Williams beat his opposite number, J.E. Doig, in the Sunderland goal.
Alex Stepney was later to discover what it was like to have the boot on the other foot when, in 1973, he found himself in the unique position of being Manchester United's top scorer at Christmas. His goal-getting talents were first spotted in a pre-season friendly in Spain and when United's regular penalty-taker Willie Morgan was injured manager Tommy Docherty decided to give Stepney the responsibility. The goalkeeper paid back the faith placed in him by netting every he spot-kick he was required to take (both of them!).
Probably the most dramatic goal ever scored by a goalkeeper was Jimmy Glass's effort for Carlisle United in May 1999 that saved the club from the ignominy of non-league football. With only ten seconds of the game remaining and with the scores level at 1-1, Glass netted from close range after his opposite number in the Plymouth Argyle goal had parried a header from a United corner. His goal secured Cumbria's last professional side's League status and sent Scarborough down instead. To add salt to the Yorkshire club's wounds, Glass was playing his last game for United having arrived on loan from Swindon Town only three weeks before…
There must be something in the water up in Carlisle because 17 months later one of their goalkeepers did it again, although in less dramatic circumstances. During a midweek game against Blackpool, goalie Peter Keen launched a routine clearance that ended up bouncing over Jon Kennedy, his opposite number in the Tangerines' goal, and into the back of the net. It made little difference to the eventual outcome as Blackpool were 3-0 up at the time but it went down in history as one of the most bizarre goals ever seen at the seaside.
Chesterfield goalie Arthur Birch scored five times during the 1923-24 season, all from the penalty spot
Another keeper to score from the penalty spot was Zimbabwe International Bruce Grobbelaar. He netted a spot kick in 1980 in a game against York City while playing for Crewe Alexandra. Typical Bruce, he told his opposite number exactly where he was going to put his spot kick…
Arsenal legend Frank Moss found the net in March 1935 while playing against Everton at Goodison Park. Having been injured in the first half going for a corner, Moss returned in the second half, shoulder heavily strapped, and played outside left. He'd already gone close with a couple of chances when in the 75th minute he latched onto a cross from Ted Drake and buried the ball in the back of the Everton net.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man. In Dagenham & Redbridge's case, that man was former Welsh Internation goalkeeper Tony Roberts. With the clock ticking away, the Daggers were on the verge of going out in the Fourth Qualifying round to Basingstoke Town, having trailed 2-1 since the 56th mintue. Then, in the fourth minute of injury time, up stepped Roberts to fire home the equaliser. Dagenham won the replay and went on to reach the Third Round proper, going out to Premiership outfit Ipswich Town.
Darren Acton also scored a last-minute equaliser - with his head - for Nuneaton Borough in a game against Droylsden.
Sunderland's Mart Poom added his name to the list of goalscorers in September, 2003 at the end of a Division One clash between Sunderland and his former side, Derby County, at Pride Park. With Derby leading 1-0 in the dying minutes of injury time, Poom ran upfield in just in time to meet Sean Thornton's corner, which he duly headed into the net past his opposite number.
Not wishing to be outdone by his Sunderland counterpart, Leeds United's Paul Robinson scored a last minute equaliser against Swindon Town in the Carling Cup four days later. Having sent the game into extra time, Robinson then saved a penalty in the shoot-out to win the game for the Yorkshire club. Just over three-and-a-half years later, Robinson scored his second career goal, this time for Tottenham Hotspur, when an 80-yard freekick bounced over the head of England team-mate Ben Foster in the Watford goal.
The 2003/04 season proved to be a vintage campaign for goalkeepers, with Blackburn Rovers' Brad Friedal following in the footsteps of Robinson and Poom in a game against Charlton Athletic at the valley. With the match fast approaching injury time, Friedal went up for a corner and duly equalised. However, there was a sting in the tail for the American custodian as Claus Jensen scored the winner for the Addicks a minute later.
Conceding a goal in the last minute against your promotion rivals can be a bitter pill to swallow at the best of times but imagine how Wycombe Wanderers felt when Colchester United goalie Scott Barrett scored in the dying minutes of injury time during the 1991/92 season. With the game delicately poised at 1-1 Barrett lofted the ball from his own area into the back of the Chairboys' net. Colchester went on to win the Conference title - and promotion back to the Football League - on goal difference after both sides finished level on 92 points.
Plymouth Argyle 'keeper Fred Craig scored five goals for the club, all from the penalty spot. He netted three times during the 1926/27 season against Brentford, Newport County and Charlton Athletic and scored in the final game of the following season against Crystal Palace. His final goal for The Pilgrims came in the 1929/30 season when he struck the winner in a thrilling 4-3 victory over Torquay.
Ray Clemence once scored for Tottenham in a friendly against a Guernsey FA XI in 1985.
Peter Schmeichel scored thirteen goals in his long and distinguished career, including heading Manchester United's equaliser from a corner in an UEFA Cup Tie against Rotor Volgograd in 1996. United went out on the Away Goal rule. Blessed with a goal-scoring record that would shame a number of outfield players, Schmeichel's last effort was not enough to save Aston Villa when they lost to Everton 3-2 in the 2001/02 season.
On 18 November 1967, injury-hit Hartlepool United were forced to field goalkeeper Ken Simpkins as a forward. He scored the winning goal in a 3-2 victory at Port Vale.
Marc de Clerc had a memorable debut when he turned out for Aberdeen in 1980. After just twenty-two minutes of play he kicked a clearance that bounced straight passed the opposing keeper and into the back of the net.
Former England International Peter Shilton scored the only goal of his career during a game between Leicester City v Southampton in 1967.
In 1911 James Brownlie ran the entire length of the field to take a penalty for Third Lanark. He missed, but scored off the rebound.
Watford 'keeper Steve Sherwood found his name on the score sheet in a game against Coventry City in 1984 after one of his clearances fooled City's keeper, Steve Ogrizovic. Ogrizovic had better fortune two years later when he scored himself while playing against Sheffield Wednesday.
Former Middlesbrough and Northern Ireland keeper Jim Platt was once used as an emergency striker for Boro's reserve side and scored a hattrick!
Kevin Pressman has been known to take a mean penalty, netting the vital spot kick during a number of Penalty Shootouts for Sheffield Wednesday.
In 1982 Chesterfield goalkeeper Jim Brown scored from 97-yards to help his team beat Stockport County. It was his second career goal, having found the net two years earlier when playing for the Washington Diplomats in a North American Soccer League game against Atlanta.
Having injured his hand in a League game while playing for Reading in 1962, goalie Arthur Wilkie went up front and scored twice as the Royals beat Halifax Town 4-2.
In 1988, Hibernian found themselves in the news after future Scotland goalkeeper Andy Goram found the net during a match against Morton.
Other keepers to score from clearances include Andy Paterson (Glentoran v Linfield, 1989), Ray Charles (East Fife v Stranraer, 1990) and Iain Hesford (Maidstone United v Hereford United, 1991)
Perennial crowd favourite 'Big' Jim Stannard also has one career goal to his credit, which he scored during his second spell with Fulham.
Argentinian goalie Carlos Roa, he of the David Batty penalty save in France '98, scored a penalty of his own in 1998 for his club side Mallorca in the Spanish Cup Final.
Manchester City legend Bert Trautmann began life as a centre forward with German side TuRa Bremen.
In a similar vein, Charlton Athletic legend Sam Bartram started life as a centre forward and had trials with Reading before making the switch to goals.
Former Inverness Caledonian Thistle goalkeeper Jim Calder started his career up front for Inverness Thistle.
Future Northern Ireland keeper Alan Fettis scored twice for Hull City after an injury crisis saw him employed as an emergency centre forward.
Walton & Hersham got more than they bargained for when they took Millwall youngster Phil Smith on loan in November 2000. The young goalkeeper scored the winning goal in a 1-0 victory against Barton Rovers after a long clearance was caught by the wind and bounced over the opposing keeper and into the net.
Mark Bosnich scored Australia's last goal from the penalty spot as they beat the Solomon Islands 13-0 in a World Cup Qualifier
Bristol Rovers' goalie Peter Roney was one of the first custodians to add his name to the roster of goalscoring goalkeepers, netting for the West Country club in April, 1910.
Former Mexican Under-23 goalkeeper Oscar Perez scored from open play in injury time against South Korea in an international friendly played in the US. Having just cleared a corner, the last thing the Koreans expected was to see the opposition goalkeeper standing on the edge of the box but Perez was there and the ball fell nicely for him to strike it past his opposite number in the Korean goal.
There must be something in the water down Mexico way. During a Coppa Merconorte tie against El Nacional of Ecuador in October 2000, Mexican international Oswaldo Sanchez equalised for Guadalajara in last minute. The game ended 3-3.
On September 18th, 1973, Bristol City beat Hull 3-1 at Ashton Gate. They went ahead 2-1 in a wet and windswept second half when City's goalkeeper, Ray Cashley, scored with a freak clearance from 98 yards.
It's not only the men that can put them away with aplomb. During a cup game against Maidstone United, Millwall Lionesses' goalie Pauline Cope was so bored with the lack of action in her half of the field that she moved up to the halfway line to play as a makeshift sweeper. She needed little encouragement when she subsequently picked up a loose ball and ran through the entire Maidstone United defence to score. Millwall went on to win the game 15-0.
England Internationals Chris Woods and David Seaman have both missed vital spot kicks in their time. Woods missed a penalty awarded in open play during a European Cup tie for Rangers while Seaman missed a penalty during the 1993 Charity Shield shoot-out between Arsenal and Manchester United.
England fans won't need reminding that it was goalkeeper Ricardo that scored the decisive spot-kick at the end of penalty shoot-out when Portugal knocked England out of Euro 2004 at the Quarter Finals stage.
After being sacked as manager of Dover Athletic, Neville Southall passed the time by earning a living as goalkeeping coach for Ryman League outfit Canvey Island and playing centre forward for The Bull Fossils in the Dover & District Sunday League, earning the nickname Nev "The Strike" Southall for his surprising prowess up front. Big Nev also once scored for Everton in a League Cup penalty shoot-out against Charlton Athletic.
Lee Williams, who is currently with Holywell Town, is a specialist penalty taker and once scored three goals from the spot while playing with Welsh side Total Network Solutions.
German goalkeeper Jörg Butt hit nine goals for for SV Hamburg - all from the penalty spot - during the 2000/01 season.
Another German who has found the net is Arsenal's Jens Lehmann, who scored twice for Schalke - The first came from the penalty spot against 1860 Munich while the second was a flying header three seasons later against Dortmund.
It has been brought to my attention that former Woking goalie Laurence Batty was something of a force in front of goal, netting five in his career with The Cards. Admittedly four were from the penalty spot, but the fifth was scored from open play against Wivenhoe in 1991, one of seven Woking scored that day.
Notts County's Steve Mildenhall once scored from a freekick in his own half in a Worthington Cup tie against Mansfield Town.
Preston North End's Andy Lonergan scored his side's equaliser in a Championship clash against Leicester City in 2004 when his clearance sailed over Kevin Pressman's head in The Foxes' goal. Pressman later claimed that he lost sight of the ball in the sun...
Croatia's Stipe Pletikosa was Hajduk Split's penalty taker before he moved on to Shahktar Donetsk.
São Paulo's Rogério Ceni scored his 54th career goal against Al Ittihad in the 2005 Club World Championship from the penalty-spot. A freekick specialist, he is the second highest-scoring goalkeeper in the history of the game.
Russian international Aleksandr Filimonov scored the only goal of his career with Druzhba Yoshkar-Ola during his only season with the Third Division club in 1991.
Luiz Martinez scored Colombia's second goal against Poland in a World Cup warm-up game for the Poles in May, 2006. Martinez's clearance somehow beat Tomasz Kuszczak at the opposite end of the ground even though the Polish goalkeeper looked like he had it covered.
Very few goalkeepers have managed to score for different clubs but Scottish goalkeeper Hamish McAlpine was one of first. The one time penalty taker for Dundee United added to his tally of three league goals when he scored directly from a kick out while playing for Raith Rovers.
Danish international goalkeeper Jesper Christiansen originally started his career as a centre forward in Denmark's Serie 3 and only went in goal for a laugh. He proved so good at his new position that he was offered a contract by Roskilde B 06, eventually moving on to Glasgow Rangers and FC Copenhagen.
Another Danish keeper to find the net was Brøndby's Mogens Krogh, who scored with a header from a corner during the 1995/96 season in a league game against Aarhus to make the scores 3-3.
Rafael Dudamel once scored for Venezuela from a freekick against Argentina during a World Cup qualifier.
Tranmere Rovers' Gavin Ward beat his opposite number Glenn Morris of Leyton Orient after his free kick - taken on the edge of his own area - sailed over Morris' head, having been caught up in a swirling wind. Tranmere won 3-0.
In 1996, Carlos Bossio becamethe first goalkeeper in Argentine football to score with a header, after heading home the equaliser from a corner for Estudiantes in a game against Racing Club.
In the summer of 2006, Australian keeper Adam Federici scored the only goal of the game for Reading in a pre-season friendly against Bromley after being played up front by The Royals.
Veteran Mark Crossley decided to get in on the act and give Sheffield Wednesday fans an earlier Christmas present when he scored a dramatic late equaliser for Sheffield Wednesday in a 3-3 draw with Southampton at Hillsborough in 2006.
Romanian goalkeeper Necula Raducanu managed to score seven goals during his career, all with Rapid Bucharest.
Blackpool's George Farm became one of the first goalkeepers ever to score n a first class game when he headed the opening goal during a league game against Preston North End in October, 1955. Farm had earlier injured his shoulder and - in the days before substitutes - switched roles with striker Jackie Mudie. However, despite his best efforts, Preston won 6-2.
South Africa's Rowen Fernandez has found the net twice for Kaiser Chiefs. Oncee from a penalty and the second from a rebound after opposite number Brian Baloyi of Mamelodi Sundowns saved his original spot kick
Having already netted once in his career for Valencia, Andrés Palop added a dramatic second for Spanish side Sevilla during the 2006/07 UEFA Cup competition. With his side trailing in a last-sixteen tie against Shakhtar Donetsk, Palop popped up to score an injury-time equaliser to send the game into extra-time. Sevilla won the tie 3-2 and went on to lift the trophy - with Palop saving three penalties in the Final against Espanyol - becoming only the second time to successfully defend their title in the process.
American Adin Brown netted his first career goal in July 2007, coming up for a corner during stoppage time to score the equaliser for Aalesund in a 2-2 draw with Rosenborg.
Former French international goalkeeper Dominique Baratelli scored twice in a career that included 593 French First Division matches.
Honourable Mentions
Morton 'Monty' Betts played in goal when he made his only International appearance way back in the late 19th Century but played up front for Wanderers in the first ever FA Cup Final. Naturally he scored the game's only goal…
Eric Viscaal, a Belgian outfield player, was forced to take over in goal during a clash between AA Ghent and Lokeren in 1994 after Ghent's regular keeper was sent off. His first act was to save a penalty, and then, with seconds to go, Ghent were awarded a penalty and duly went up the other end and scored.
In 1999, Sunderland Centre Forward Niall Quinn was forced to don the gloves with 13 minutes of the game left after regular keeper Thomas Sorensen was stretchered off. Quinn kept a clean sheet as Sunderland beat Bradford City 1-0 having scored the match winner only minutes before going in goal…Quinn had previously saved a penalty from Welsh International Dean Saunders while playing for Manchester City.
Niall Quinn isn't the only emergency goalkeeper to save a penalty. Forty years or so before he stopped Dean Saunders' effort, the legendary Nat Lofthouse did exactly the same thing for Bolton Wanderers in a game against Wolves. The 'Lion of Vienna' went between the sticks following an injury to the Trotter's keeper and, to the delight of the crowd, saved a penalty. Lofthouse later described it as one of his proudest moments in football.
England legend Bobby Moore also saved a penalty when he went in goal for West Ham in the early Seventies and saved a penalty only to see the rebound fall straight to the feet of the attacker, who made no mistake with the follow up.
Striker Paul Moody, once of Southampton, Fulham, Oxford United and Millwall, played a whole season in goal for a Hampshire non-league side before finding his feet up front.
One of football's founding fathers, Lord Alfred Kinnaird, has the unique distinction of being the only man ever to play in the FA Cup Final in goal and out and appear on the score sheet on both occasions. He appeared in nine Cup Finals in total, scoring in three of them. Unfortunately, his appearance between the sticks was marred by a bizarre own goal after he managed to carry the ball across his goal line when trying to deal with an awkward back pass.
Former Coventry City striker Steve Whitton started his career with the Sky Blues as their reserve team goalkeeper.
Southampton legend Ted Bates played in every position for The Saints, including stand-in goalkeeper.
Dutch striker Berry Powel, who joined Millwall from FC Den Bosch in January 2006, started life as a keeper before going upfront at the age of 19.
David Webb became an emergency goalkeeper for Chelsea after Peter Bonetti was injured in a game against Coventry City on December 18th, 1971. He then played the entire game the following week because both of Chelsea's goalkeepers were unfit and kept a clean sheet as The Blues beat Ipswich 2-0.
Other notable outfield players who have kept goal include former Republic of Ireland boss Mick McCarthy (who kept a clean sheet for Millwall against Hull City in 1991), Hollywood hardman Vinny Jones and former Scottish International David Speedie.
08-17-2007, 09:53 PM
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