retired_jkennett2001

why is it? Most people play more than one position growing up. Surely if you look at the players' stats they have right numbers for right attributes, so theoretically speaking a right mid can have stats to make him passable as a right back. Do a test in a lower league where spread of attributes is wider.

retired_asoto20

Is it really possible to play this arsenal team/other top teams with EVERY player out off pos?. I mean a i really dont think putting say a RB as LM/RM or AML/RML would make that much a difference. In my game i use RB/LB practically as wingers. Clichy have 11 assists 3 season and are nr 4 on overall assists.

odie072

Interesting thread ... I did a similar test under FM07 because Arsenal seemed
so good I wondered what made the difference - attributes/tactics/manager/players/morale?

My main question at the end was - as attributes seemed the least important factor (as I edited a load of them down to single figures for all players and did repeated test games) - when do attributes actually get 'tested' - is it every tackle? Every shot? Only at certain times? In this case - When (if ever) does a players position
get 'tested' ie. player is in midfield, is a def only, gets -5 to certain attributes? -10?

Presume there must be multipliers that raise or lower attributes based on morale, tt etc. Dunno.

retired_Complete

That's hilarious!

retired_asoto20

Might be an idea for attributes all together be hidden in a fog off war?. Not even an option to turn them on/off, would be nice...

retired_dellydoolittle

:thup:

i hate team, media... all talks

retired_cglittergirl1967

No I didn't holiday through the 18 games in question i did try another experiment using the holiday option and that was when the Assistant manger changed the players back to there correct positions. I know this because i came back from holiday and looked at the stats.

retired_cglittergirl1967

That's exactly why i didn't do any team talks or tactical changes so every match was played the same way. If i was playing a RB as a LM and he got injured i would substitute a similary out of position player with him.

For the crap team every player played in a position that in the FM manual's own words weren't even rated ineffectual, they were supposed to be worse than that. After 18 games the only difference between the two sides were the positions the players played in and to that end there was no difference in results. Yes if i had used team talks the good team might have performed more in keeping with what you'd expect but then that just shows how team talks have way to much influence on the game and i'd expect the bad team to improve similiarly again leaving no difference between playing players in position were there stats say there good in and positions that there stats say there bad in.

Bottom line is regardless of my tatcics the test showed that the players are not playing to there individual attributes as there supposed to. If they were then the defenders wouldn't play as well upfront as they do in defence and vice versa with attackers.

retired_jkennett2001

That's garbage TBH - I can name you probably a thousand forwards converted into defenders and vice versa without breaking a sweat.

retired_cglittergirl1967

That's garbage TBH - I can name you probably a thousand forwards converted into defenders and vice versa without breaking a sweat. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Makes you wonder why managers bother playing players in the same position every week so. Maybe you should ring them up and tell them there doing it all wrong and Ronaldo and Rooney would do as well as CD as they would upfront.

Also the bit you seem to find it hard to grasp even though i've stated it many times. If the players can play as well in any position as you say then there player attributes in FM should show this. Why does Willian Gallas have better tackling attributes than the Arsenal strikers for instance. In my test the forwards did just as well in CD. Your amazingly saying this is to be expected so if this is the case why doesn't FM give the forwards the same tackling ratings?