dreamer

I don't see the problem here, you play the players out of place and they average 1.3 points a game. In real life, this isn't unfeasible for Arsenal to do, because a lot of their players are technically gifted and versatile, 1.3 points a game is still between 1-1.3 points a game than they should get if they are played in position.

The amount of points they got playing in their real positions is irrelevant, we already know how many points they're capable of achieving, just because you fell well short of that it doesn't mean the team playing out of position is unrealistic, they still didn't do very well compared to how well Arsenal should do.

retired_asoto20

"A half-time team talk is not really going to make that much difference, especially compared to a couple of well chosen substitutions or a tactical change."

Well,i must disagree with you big time. And well, a tatical change might even get the manager to open his mouth some?.

All managers have their approach to the game,before match,half time and even after match. Some probably shout the players heads off, some are quiet as hell, some just in between. Some players also will adapt better to any off the above any given matchday.
Hard to tell what works best, hard to tell even who does what even.
To say that a half time talk cant inspire a player is just wrong.

retired_asoto20

I also heard about this, and if you look at his ratings ingame, its not bad offensive .

retired_asoto20

Did he feel a sence of achivement?

retired_cglittergirl1967

Again your missing the point but if you haven't got it yet there's no point in me explaining it again.

greg22

I can imagine that this wouldn't have a massive impact with a team like Arsenal the average playerr would have a great all round game.

If the same experiment was done in the lower leagues, I'd expect you'd get a much more dramatic result.

For example, by best defender has a finishing stat of 2, whereas my best striker has a tackling stat of 3. Nice experiment though!

retired_kaletown

While I have doubts about the match engine and the results generated, let me put some things in perspective for you.
The manager quality does *matter*.

For arsenal to be averaging 1-1.3 points a game means that they have been performing horribly under-potential, as if they have been given inconsistent instructions to the point that "they could not be any worse, they might as well be playing out of position". So switching Gallas to Forward or walcott to RB is simply adding one more factor to the chaotic managerial instructions.

At the professional level all outfield players will at least be barely, barely proficient in all outfield positions such that a team with players played deliberately out-of-position will match 11 players that can't even call themselves a real "team" or string together 5 passes.

Just my humble 2cents.

burntmonkey

I just don't get some of the guys dissing this experiment. First of, it's an experiment and the testing seems to have removed all factors affecting performance off and on the pitch. It's fairly tested. Outfield players has the proficiency to play in all positions, but how many of them do play in all positions on a big matchday? I mean seriously out of position? Like a CB playing right midifeld? I cannot think that Wenger would put Adebayor in a left back position.

dreamer

Again your missing the point but if you haven't got it yet there's no point in me explaining it again. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not missing the point, I've read the whole thread and don't feel your arguement stacks up, the simple fact of the matter is Arsenal could achieve 1.3 points a game playing people out of position in real life, and the game reflects this.

alidog

I find this interesting, but I have concerns:

Why did your "proper" team play so badly? You're Arsenal, after 18 games you should have a lot more than 23 points and a negative goal difference. 23 points from 18 games is relegation form, as is 24 points from 18 games. All you've really proven is that no matter who you pick or where you play them, you can't get Arsenal out of trouble. What did you expect, that after getting 23 points with the players in the correct positions that with them all over you'd get only 10 points? This is Arsenal, they've got world-class playes and you're going to get some good results no matter who you play or where you play them - or how bad your tactics are.

I think you have the basis of an interesting experiment here, but before you can proceed you need to ensure you have a tactic that actually works with the players in the correct positions, that can get you into the top 4 where we'd all expect Arsenal to be. Then swap it round and replay the same games with the players in the wrong positions but in the same formation. Then you'll have some interesting results that I for one will look forward to seeing.