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Old 11-16-2007, 04:44 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #31
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Personally I think that, in the long run, players do underperform when playing out of position.
I do agree though that playing a whole team out of position should have a big impact. Unfortunately your 'experiment' shows little in it's current form, especially since the majority of the games you played were friendlies.

What you need to do is get a mid-table team, say Blackburn, and play a full season as you would normally with all players in their strongest positions where possible.

Now start the same game again with the same team and make every effort to play the players completely out of position for a full season. Now compare the finishing positions of the two different teams. If they are similar then you definitley have a point and the basis for a good discussion. I personally think that you'll struggle a lot in the second game but would be interested to find out.
I might try that but not this weekend as i'm going away. If anyone else cares to try it then that would be great either. The thing to remember is the only difference to the team should be the players positions. The players/formation/tactics/team talks etc should all be the same.

For every match with the good team you should play your best 11 in there correct positions and for the bad team you should pick your best 11 the same way except you now switch them around so there all out of position but still in the same formation. This will ensure that both teams are of equal strength. You must also not do team talks or any other tactical changes. If you start that then you will probably make more effort with the good team and the results won't prove anything other than that team talks work. To do any test successfully you can only change one component at a time and in this case the component is players playing in there incorrect and correct positions to see do they underperform in there incorrect positions.
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:05 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #32
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This is very worrying.

I think it highlights the problem that far too many 'other' things (media comments etc..)influence the match result rather than what should do, the players and their abilities!!!
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:06 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #33
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Mike007:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by The_Ultimate_Red_Devil:
Just so we're on the same page...

You played the same teams in each experiment right? I feel I should mention that a fullback would have some qualities that would make them able to be striker-ish if required (speed, strength, heading ability, anticipation).
That does seam very stupid & in reall life it would never happen that way. Still you were playing with Arsenal & all thier players are freaks of nature. I dont think even one of their 1st team players is under 160 CA. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I seem to remember Mourinho saying that since he was short of DCs he may have to put Drogba in as DC. </BLOCKQUOTE>


But did he? no. Just some typical reverse phsycology from the special one
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:08 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #34
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This is very worrying.

I think it highlights the problem that far too many 'other' things (media comments etc..)influence the match result rather than what should do, the players and their abilities!!!
Yes i didn't do any of them which would explain my good team playing bad. Maybe next time i will do the team talks and media with both the good and bad teams. My bet is the good team will improve but the bad team will as well and they'll still perform the same.
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:08 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #35
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But....didi you know that Drogba started off as a centre back?? and that gallas was actually a striker in the beginning of his career?? Tis True :cool:
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:25 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #36
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I would like to try this test with Ajax. Since this unpatched version is getting me peeved off and I won't play it until the new patch arrives. However, I forsee a problem. What would happen if someone gets injured from the good team or the crap team? How should I replace him?
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:33 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #37
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:p

Reminds me of an experiment I did with fm06...my cousin played as Newcastle and I was Everton. Right before the Jan transfer window, I was sitting on 8th while he was on 7th. He gave me a lot of grieve.

He then went on a real holiday for a week, to screw his team up, I sold all his non-CDs, including Gk (I admit to cheating a little...well, a lot, to achieve this...) and I bought a whole bunch of CDs for him. (not even good ones...)

Now, his team has no Gk or players others than central defenders (not even full backs.).

I put him on holiday while I played out the rest of the season. I ended up staying 8th at the end of the season and he actually went up to 5th.

He freaked out when he came back but was happy that he got into Europe for the next season.

How one whole team of only central defenders with their manager on holiday for half a year achieved that is still beyond me! :eek:
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:02 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #38
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I would like to try this test with Ajax. Since this unpatched version is getting me peeved off and I won't play it until the new patch arrives. However, I forsee a problem. What would happen if someone gets injured from the good team or the crap team? How should I replace him?
If say you were playing your LB in RM and he got injured then replace him with another LB/CD. Replace him with your best LB/CD that you have just as you would do with the good team expect with the bad team your replacing your best player from another position.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:05 PM   Individual skills don't matter? Post #39
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by mousey:
I would like to try this test with Ajax. Since this unpatched version is getting me peeved off and I won't play it until the new patch arrives. However, I forsee a problem. What would happen if someone gets injured from the good team or the crap team? How should I replace him?
With that being the case how does FM have a reputation for being the most realistic manager sim? Playing a whole team of CD and outperforming a normal team makes it a joke of a game. I wonder how many of it's faithfull followers know this?


If say you were playing your LB in RM and he got injured then replace him with another LB/CD. Replace him with your best LB/CD that you have just as you would do with the good team expect with the bad team your replacing your best player from another position. </BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Mike007:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by The_Ultimate_Red_Devil:
Just so we're on the same page...

You played the same teams in each experiment right? I feel I should mention that a fullback would have some qualities that would make them able to be striker-ish if required (speed, strength, heading ability, anticipation).
That does seam very stupid & in reall life it would never happen that way. Still you were playing with Arsenal & all thier players are freaks of nature. I dont think even one of their 1st team players is under 160 CA. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I seem to remember Mourinho saying that since he was short of DCs he may have to put Drogba in as DC. </BLOCKQUOTE>

He also said if that happened, he have to use Hilario up front and that he (Hilario) wasn't bad there.
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