bitchshift

hello. please answer the following questions for me regarding football manager 2008.

1.) why no matter if you set "rarley" in the long shots section do the players still repetatively take numerous long shots?

2.) why do teams loose certain games in the season against inferior opposition despite what tactics, players or instructions the manager uses?

3.) why do un realistic tactics work better than the standard ones you see in real life football ie: 4-3-1-2 narrow formation is superb and the standard 4-4-2 does not work.

thank you for you help in this matter

Newky

Im using the standard 442 attacking with no tweaks except to team mentality and timewasting depending on who I'm playing. 7 points clear top of the league with 8 games to go. I have VdV in midfield and some games he dosent even take a shot!

I tried making my own tactics and downloading popular ones and every time found they started really well then after 12 games or so I just couldnt score.

Agree with point 2 though, the 2 defeats so far this season were against teams in the bottom 3 on a really poor run of form.

Lloydey

1) This depends on the player's attributes (for example, stevie g and lampard will take pot shots all the time as its in their nature and they are good at it) and also your other tactics, if your tactics mean you are creating few chances its more likely there will be more long shots.

2) why did bolton beat man utd at the weekend despite their respective league positions, manager achievements (fergie 20 yrs at the top, megson has won nothing) and gulf in class of players? Same answer, its football. It wouldn't be a very exciting game if you won every game.

3) 4-4-2 does work with the correct tweaks and players. You will probably find 4-3-1-2 played IRL (or a variation) especially on the continent. Argentina often use this system with Messi and Tevez upfront and Riqueleme just behind pulling the strings and then 3 in midfield.

bitchshift

1.) I understand what you are saying. but on the previous games (and in real football) players do not take continuous long shots and consistantley blaze them over the bar regardless of the tactic or instructions.

2.) the point I was trying to get across is that it is blatant that for some reason it has been programed into the game that you will, at some point, experience a slump regardless of the form and quality of the team(s) you are facing

3.) fair enougth but that is one team. I have never seen a team play with this tactic as in the most cases it would not be effective way to play football.


I presume that the these problems in the game are because SI have changed their staff meaning they have had to produce an inferior game engine to previous editions of the usually class FM series. Either that or they are so clever they have made it extremley difficult to forge an effective tactic that is similar to the real life game of football.

bitchshift

which team is this with though? one of extreme high quality?

woody2goody

I agree with bitchshift here.

He's right about there being too many strang long shots, even by players who are crap at taking them, even after telling these players not to shoot from ditance.

He's right about beating the small teams, and this has been going on for a couple of years.

A great team with great tactics shouldn't have to alter them every game. Maybe against the really good teams away from home for example, but Manchester United wouldn't have to play Derby away with a completely different system.

Lloydey cannot base his argument on one game of football. I agree that Man U losing to Bolton is realistic, but I can see what is meant by bitchshift's argument.

I know people are going to say it's supposed to be a challenge, but if you have the best team in the league, playing with the best tactics, you should win most games. So many people complain about this that it must be true.

Now I'm going to get those people on here talking about the fact that they have championships coming out of their ears, but I'm sure that this is a real problem which rarely used to happen, if at all, in the older versions of FM.

bitchshift

I dont mean any disrespect to anyone on here at all, but I am sure one of the reasons why SI dont listen to and respond to these kinds of posts is that there are a lot of "Fan boys" who assume that the game is just "challenging" and dont accept the fact it seems to have been programed by someone with little idea as to the flow and events of real football.

Perhaps if these people did just accept this stark reality ie: SI are/ have seemingly lost it completly with this release, more people would add to posts like this and then the people that matter would feel obliged to respond.

Back to the original point of the topic though I was hoping that someone from SI could explain to me the points outlined in the first post on the thread.

bitchshift

also it wopuld be worth adding the fact that an extrodinary amount of shots get hit striahgt at the keeper to my first post if the message board would allow me to edit.