retired_Curediseases

OK, this has been a familiar question on these forums for quite a while now.

But I, and a lot of people I think, would like an answer, or if that's not possible, theories about why it is so hard for a great team to beat poor teams on FM08.

I'm just wondering why this is happening so if anyone from SI or people with CONSTRUCTVE comments to make would like to hazard a guess please do.

To help draw my conclusions, I am going to start a game with Manchester United, and see what happens.

retired_narasm01

When I first played I had that problem but the more I thought about my tactics and tried to make the relative adjustments the less it has happened.
I suppose it happens in real life. Look at Scotland v France. Twice

retired_Curediseases

I know I can see your point mate I'm not saying it can't happen in real life, just that in FM it seems to happen a hell of a lot.

The thing is, I'm not a very good FM player, and in theory, not being very good I shouldn't be able to beat the good teams. The only teams I should be winning against are the poorer ones.

I'll let you know how I do with Utd. I'll try to play attacking football and see how it goes. In theory, according to these boards I should create a lot of chances and not score very many goals in most matches.

retired_narasm01

Well think about how your team should play. Yes you can attack a lot but ultimately you need to have good chances or you just won't score. I use the example of Scotland-France as both games Scotland took a bit of a pumping but ultimately France couldn't score. When that happens a "little" team has a chance. Celtic-Man U in the CL last season. Nakamura free kick. It happens plenty of times just we only see the results that matter to us. And I Scottish by the way so its two examples that stick in my mind the most
I think with the last two games they were quite a bit easier. My tactics consisted purely of having a tall striker and a fast striker. In this new game its so apparent that I need more than just that. I need players to control the game. I need patient build up. I need players who can find space. Since I started thinking of this have managed to get results against smaller teams that previously I found difficulty with.

retired_Curediseases

I agree wholeheartedly with your post.

The funny thing is, in my first game, against Chelsea, nothing out of the ordinary happened.

On the plus side it seems that penalty shootouts have been fixed.

Anyway, here is my first game:
Community Shield

As you can see, numbers of shots seem ok, there were a couple of one-on-ones missed, but I think these are mostly coming from defenders pressuring the attackers at the time of the shots.

retired_Curediseases

First League Game: Away at West Ham.

A poor performance but Rooney missed an absolute sitter from about 8 yards.

And how did I know that Zamora would score after running 50 yards with the ball in the 87th minute???

West Ham v Man Utd

But no extraordinary amount of shots, and no 'one-on-ones' to speak of at all for either side.

Doesn't seem unusual to me. My early thoughts are that certain people's tactics that they have devised are maybe too complicated i'm not sure.

retired_wrightni

You can play against inferior team all the time, dominate the game till the last min. Somehow their GK will be on a man of the match kind of form and save every single one of your shots.

Right when u think this match is heading for a draw the AI pops up and scored with the only real chance they had, and your defenders didnt even tried to do much about it.

retired_Curediseases

So, at home to Sunderland, which should (in theory) be a relatively easy game for Man Utd.

Ended up 3-0 to United with 2 for Tevez and one for Rooney. A few fairly easy chances were missed but it is hard to know which were down to poor finishing and which were down to good goalkeeping.

Man utd vs Sunderland

retired_autumnwind.78

Please take this in the way it was intended.....

Could people post links to the pkm file as well as the picture if possible when showing stuff like this? Aside from being of potential help to the dev team its also interesting for other people to watch these matches for themselves - and can only promote better understanding of the engine!

Paul

retired_Curediseases

ManU/Chelsea pkm

WHam v ManU pkm

ManU v S-land pkm