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Old 10-30-2007, 04:12 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #21
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<BLOCKQUOTE>If you have a 2nd nationaility and your youth system generates a player fron that nation you must immediately sell him as you cannot play him
I think this challenge is great but I really don't understand this.

You get to keep youth players who are English.

You get to keep youth players who are foreign.

The only youth players you can't keep are youth players that are from the nation that is listed as your 2nd Nationality . </BLOCKQUOTE>

i read it as you can only play english youths that come through your system.

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Any player with a non-English 1st or 2nd nationality must be sold straight away, you cannot ever play him.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:27 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #22
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I missed that, thanks :thup:.

I get the whole give youth a chance thingy :thup:, but I just don't get why the Nationality of the players promoted is an issue :thdn:.

It puts managers who are non-English at a disadvantage.
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Old 10-30-2007, 05:22 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #23
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I've just had a thought, (while answering someones question)......

As Merthyr Tydfil are a Welsh side, could you do this challenge as them, but from a Welsh point of view? ie. with only Welsh players & staff?

It would put a bit of a twist on it, (and it's far too easy as it is) .
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Old 10-30-2007, 05:34 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #24
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I think a round of applause for anyone that doesn't get relegated in their 1st season doing this challenge. Most of the teams that come up don't have any players, unless this is changed in the latest patch?
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Old 10-30-2007, 05:45 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #25
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One more question, sorry.

Can you sign grey players as technically speaking they are already at the club ?
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Old 10-30-2007, 06:31 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #26
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One more question, sorry.

Can you sign grey players as technically speaking they are already at the club ?
Must be able to. The rules say

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without bringing in players or staff from elsewhere (not even on loan).
Presumably if you do get a parent club, you'll have to reject any loans they attempt to send you too.. ?
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:36 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #27
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So when I first saw this challenge posted last week it really caught my imagination and I immediately decided to give it a go. Having played now with a couple of teams already to get a feel for the challenge all I’ll add ending with disappointing results (mainly my side getting hammered anywhere between 3-7 nil at a time) I have now decided to give it another final go but giving myself absolutely every chance of success.

New Manager Installed

In order to give myself a fighting chance I’ve reloaded the game numerous times and come up with a team that has produced thirteen under 18 players. I was relatively impressed by the standard of players produced although having generated 3 keepers and 5 strikers I am coming to the conclusion I might have preferred a more even distribution . These under 18’s will form the nucleus of my squad along with the fairly decent grey players I can make use of.

Under 18's Batch

Controversially I have decided to disregard the non English second nationality rule. I can see no reason why a player shouldn’t be eligible for the challenge being a product of the youth academy with no outside influences i.e myself or staff nationalities (which total 0!). The aim of the challenge itself states ‘without bringing in players or staff from elsewhere’, so my take on this is why make it even more unnecessarily difficult (I can fully appreciate however people may consider this not in the spirit of the challenge in its entirety). Included in my new batch of youngsters is a Norwegian striker who I fully expect to be competing for a first team place even at the tender age of 16. Anders Tysnes as you can see isn’t all that but shows promise in my makeshift long ball strategy standig nice and tall at 6'3 already. Let’s give youth a chance!

Having taken over the Guiseley squad and moving all but three under 18’s to the first team I began snapping up as many half decent grey players as I could totalling seven including my current captain Adrian Graham (20 yrs old, relatively determined and influential).

Full Squad Including Grey Matter

I arranged four pre season friendlies before the big kick off to judge my small squad and determine the strongest eleven. My results were encouraging, so much so I am actually feeling a little confident going into the season. My concerns are however that the board expect me to finish in a mid table position and from experience that’ll need me picking up quite a few more than 40 points which has proved a problem target to date….as I said 7-0 etc. I seem to be getting a little success by playing a rough game, long ball tactic through the middle of the park so I am going to go with my heart and stick with it for the opening encounter.

Pre Season Results

The final pre season match was debatably our best of the four eclipsing the 1-1 draw with Blue Square Premier side Southport. Goals from Tysnes and Forbes secured a 3-1 victory against Team Bath which was such a big relief having had disappointed fans for all the other fixtures (over demanding I feel). Although we have been scoring goals we aren’t creating very many chances at all and I already fear one or two injuries will seriously put any chance of success in the balance. On a small bright side our first team 16 year old keeper Howard is looking invaluable closing down attackers with real conviction. Keep it up!

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Season Expectations / Predictions

- We struggle to avoid relegation let alone the reach clubs expectations
- The squad is stretched sooner rather than later resulting in a big dip in form
- Tysnes or Crittenden is club top scorer
- My young stars (average age 16) suffer with fatigue towards the end of the season drastically ruining all hopes of success!
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:41 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #28
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Included in my new batch of youngsters is a Norwegian striker who I fully expect to be competing for a first team place even at the tender age of 16. Anders Tysnes
You can't play any foreigners .

Sorry.
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:00 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #29
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Hello Jim.

As I say I really like the challenge idea 'give youth a chance' I just can't get my head around the restriction of not being able to play a foreign youth product bearing in mind I cannot sign staff and all signings are internal. Basically I was just going to update my version of the challenge here, if that was ok with Stephanie McMahon's Secret Lover and maybe inspire some more people to take on the challenge which I've found in some 4-5 attempts (sticking stringently to the rules) HARD!! lol
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:02 PM   SMSL's Ultimate Challenge (FM08) - Give Youth A Chance Post #30
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You can't play any foreigners.
If you read his entire post, you'll see that he fully understands that it is against the rules, but cannot see what justification there is for it.
I have to agree. Surely, as long as a player comes through your youth system, nationality is irrelevant. What reason is there to exclude them?

I have not started this challenge yet, but I will after the full patch is released and I also will use whatever players the youth setup generates. I think that it may be almost impossible to complete and every player will be needed (especially early on) to give you a fighting chance.

KUTGW nathansxi and keep posting updates. I'm very interested to see how this challenge goes and would welcome the heads-up on any potential pit-falls you might encounter. Not that I want hints or to cheat in any way, but I know that I will realistically only be able to attempt this only once, due to the time I get to play. I really don't want to **** it up...
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