retired_rajaijah

I be backing on American Samoa !!!

retired_shaneltolbert

1. Does giving a useless international team 4 star players improve their fortunes? I think that it will give them a bit more money but only because they might get into the World Cup, therefore generating money.
2. Do these teams rise up the world rankings and if so is it gradual or is it a sudden explosion up the rankings?I think that they will rise bit by bit but the likes of San Marino will be quicker to go up as they are playing against better opposition.
3. Can any of the teams qualify for a World Cup? I think that the Oceania countries will have a better chance.
4. Are the effects more pronounced in some confederations than in others? See above^^^
5. Do the nations provided with a 'backbone' produce better results and rise up the rankings quicker than the nations given 'wings'?Yes, because they have key players in better positions. Eg. GK, MC, ST
6. Looking at the players - will the players at clubs in remote backwaters take longer to end up in the world's best leagues or will they all move after 1 season at their starter club.?I think the players starting in the Italian league will get snapped up quicker than the rest.
7. Thinking more longer term, will these nations produce some better quality regens as they move up the FIFA rankings or will these nations slump again after these star players retire?I think that the regens will be of a higher standard but how good will be influenced by where they are in the world rankings.

BTW, am I right in assuming you'll be playing this on FM08?

Good luck WW :thup:

retired_george-leo

Very interesting experiment! :thup:
Looking forward to keeping tabs on this.


My take on how it'll turn out:

I think they will rise up the rankings, but not exactly in a sudden-explosion fashion.
Having four stars will obviously help the teams, but it won't exactly make a good team out of them. Still plenty of dead wood in the team.
They'll still struggle against big and even mediocre teams, so will have to do with results against other small teams for a decent while.
Then again, one win at that level can mean a rise of 40 places, so there will be some surging going on here and there. But once they near the top 100 mark, they'll probably be stuck there for a long while.
In fact, I doubt any of them will get higher than 80.

I'd say it'll be nearly impossible for the European and African teams. The others may have an outside chance.

Along the lines of what I said already: I think it will be tougher for the European and African nations to get good results, because they'll be facing consistently better opposition in their qualifying campaigns. They'll have very few chances to play other small nations, so it'll take a bit more luck to get a good result and rise up the rankings.

I believe so. Especially the GK and the ST can individually have a big impact in a match, while the wing-positions are more support-oriented.

Possibly, but even for those it probably won't take longer than 2 seasons to have made the move to a decent club. The ones in Italy should have plenty of offers by the end of the first season.


A combination of both. A higher ranking will have an effect on the regens, but I think it's a rather slow and gradual process, so I doubt the effect will be big enough for them to maintain their decent ranking once the 4 stars retire. They may not drop all the way back down to 200, but they will drop again.

retired_sneakyb

Brilliant idea Walcott. I'll be watching this thread. I'm also gonna make some predictions for your questions:

1. Does giving a useless international team 4 star players improve their fortunes?
I think it will drastically in some cases. The Oceania teams will dominate, where as the European ones will flounder. Only maybe getting a few more points than they normally do.

2. Do these teams rise up the world rankings and if so is it gradual or is it a sudden explosion up the rankings?
It'll begin with a quick spike, but things will slow down once the teams drift around the 80-100 rank mark.

3. Can any of the teams qualify for a World Cup?
I think a few of them will. I doubt the European ones will, but I think all the other ones are in with a good shot. Except maybe Guam, the rest of their players are donkeys

4. Are the effects more pronounced in some confederations than in others?
As I said above, it definately will be. The European players will fade into obscurity, with the national team not doing as well as the others. Although, they do have the access to European scouts, which the rest are lacking. I think the Africans will be the first to break into Europe out of the non-EU nations.

5. Do the nations provided with a 'backbone' produce better results and rise up the rankings quicker than the nations given 'wings'?
Definitely the backbone. Having a class GK and ST will bring them home some silverware. The wings will help a lot, but not as much as the backbone will, ESPECIALLY if the manager doesn't use them to their full potential.

6. Looking at the players - will the players at clubs in remote backwaters take longer to end up in the world's best leagues or will they all move after 1 season at their starter club?
I fear those starting in Indonesia will be stuck there. No-one ever scouts there, so unless they get exposure with the national team, they'll suffer. Definitely players from the A-league and the Mexican league will be the first to move. I'm tipping it to begin during the 2nd season.

7. Thinking more longer term, will these nations produce some better quality regens as they move up the FIFA rankings or will these nations slump again after these star players retire?
I personally think that the stars will increase national reputation, which will create some quality regens, but due to the regens being created in un-used national leagues, nothing will become of it, and they will slide back down.


I think it may be worth selecting the 'Load all players from' option for the 10 selected nations. No doubt you already have, but if you haven't, then there will be nowhere for the regens to spawn, let alone other players to fill your squad at the start.

Regardless, great idea man, will be reading the updates.

retired_0PETE1

This looks very interesting now. I think that American Samoa will do best, but I may be wrong.

retired_sneakyb

Nice idea, Perth Glory need some help at the moment!

I can't wait to see how this also effects the chosen clubs too, and the reputation of the nations which house these young guns. No doubt Perth Glory will become an Asian powerhouse, as will the chosen indonesian team. Will be good to see them fight it out in the Asian Champions League.

retired_ironmaden

Interesting concept here :thup: I'm also of the opinion that the "backbone" is more important, and it'll mean bigger success.

Have you set the managers' preferred formation BTW? Because if it's accidentally a 3-5-2 the full backs may well be screwed

prof101

Great idea WW! :thup:

I shall follow this with great interest. The nearest I have witnessed to this was on FM 2006 where American Samoa generated the best player in the world (a striker) who was worth £45m. He generated at Milan IIRC. Through this Samoa beat Australia/New Zealand to qualify for the World Cup. Sadly the file corrupted so I never got a screens hots of it (also it was before I came to this site). So therefore this thread intrigues me. It will also give us an indication on what the most important positions are. I have a feeling it will be favoring the Spine teams as in reality this would be the most important aspect to a team but we shall see!

I think it will especially in their qualifying groups as the level of opposition in some of the areas will mean the players are far and beyond the average.

I predict a slow rise mainly due to the age of the players. Hopefully the players will be generated to support the improvement but we shall see...

I'd expect the one of the Oceania teams to qualify first. The European teams are in for a hard time.

As I said above Oceania teams will be the most prominent.

Based on real life observations, yes. They will have a strong GK,DC,CM,FC. Maybe it will depend on how the manager plays. If the AI for the wide players play a wide formation then who knows!

I'd expect the Europeans to get snapped up first followed by the African and CONCACAF players. The Asian/Oceania players may take a little longer but I am not really sure on that.

I'd like to hope so.

retired_0PETE1

1. Does giving a useless international team 4 star players improve their fortunes?

The team should rocket up the rankings and then hit a "wall" as their amazing players can only give them a certain amount before the team needs other world class players.

2. Do these teams rise up the world rankings and if so is it gradual or is it a sudden explosion up the rankings?

Sudden explosion, then very slow movement staying at around the same rank.

3. Can any of the teams qualify for a World Cup?

Yes.

4. Are the effects more pronounced in some confederations than in others?

Yes, because the quality of teams is not as good in some confederations as others.

5. Do the nations provided with a 'backbone' produce better results and rise up the rankings quicker than the nations given 'wings'?

Yes, the nations with a 'backbone' have a good player in each position, someone to stop shots, someone to score goals, and someone to feed the goalscorer, the nations with 'wings' don't have anyone to put the crosses away at the end.

6. Looking at the players - will the players at clubs in remote backwaters take longer to end up in the world's best leagues or will they all move after 1 season at their starter club.?

Will all move after one season to a top club.

7. Thinking more longer term, will these nations produce some better quality regens as they move up the FIFA rankings or will these nations slump again after these star players retire?

They will produce some high quality regens as the added boost in reputation will directly link the quality of players produced in the future.

retired_shaneltolbert

Ah, yes.

That was a bit of a clue wasn't it.

:p