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Old 11-01-2007, 07:59 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #21
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Dennis Mortimer

Grestest player never to play for Engand

He was captain of the 1982 Aston Villa side that won the Eueopean Cup
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:09 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #22
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Here is my explanation of why this happens and is based on some posts by Marc Vaughan in thread that surfaced a few weeks back about the accuracy of scouts and how AI staff judge players.

http://community.sigames.com/eve/for...3932050843/p/1

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Originally posted by Marc Vaughan:

Scout reports (and coach reports) are done on the 'percieved' potential ability of the player in question and not the 'true one' - sometimes these may be the same, often they are not.

Glaring differences are normally found more commonly early on in a players career - ie. whether a 14 year old will make it or not is very very hard to predict at that age, however by the time someone is 24 its somewhat 'easier' for someone to judge how far they might go because they're more mature both phsyically and as a player etc.

So in short 'yes coach reports can help you' and 'no they aren't perfect judgements on a player'
He gave an example of a player of his having his coach reports change as the player performed better than expected as his team progressed up the leagues until the coaches eventually settled on a judgement. It went like this in terms of how the player was judged as time progressed:-

Scout says initially potential to be good League 2 (currently in Conference South)
He signs the player and assistant manager agrees.

Team wins promotion to League 2.
Assistant says “potential to be a good championship player”

Team now in League 1
Assistant says “potential to be good premiership player”

Current Assessment (he didn’t state where the team was now)
Assistant says “potential to be a decent championship player”

My interpretation of what he wrote (and others may have taken it differently) is that judgements are made based on how the player performs at a given level and their PA to give the perceived potential ability (one could argue that the PA should not even be available to the AI but it is a computer game and the access to PA probably helps to reduce processing time with respect to every AI manager/coach/scout making judgements on players in the database. Actually thinking of 07 I reckon that the judgements are calculated around the date that new seasons began because that would explain the point where AI managers alter squad status universally).

From the way ‘perceived potential ability’ works I assume ‘perceived current ability’ (my assumption might be incorrect) works in a similar manner. Thus a player might be performing like superman but this performance isn’t significant enough to combine with his CA to give a high enough ‘perceived current ability’ that the player is good enough to play at international level. For me that’s the only logical explanation for why a player who has scored 75 goals in 93 Premiership appearances has not been deemed worthy of a place in the England squad by the AI manager. Also how accurately AI staff judge perceived abilities probably depends on their JPA and JCA attributes.

For me a key question, assuming this is how the system works, is does the extra ‘perceived ability’ gained from performances contribute significantly enough? Also do players lose ‘perceived ability’ points based on how they perform and if so is it enough? Essentially you can combine those two questions into one simple one which is applicable in real life football:-

Should a player be picked for their national squad based on status or form?

To me all of the above also gives an explanation for why on FM 07 people were questioning why their star target man who was averaging ratings in the 7.8 and over range never had big clubs interested in them. But like I say anytime I offer up a theory on how the game works this is all based on my experiences of the game and my own logical explanations (logical to me anyway) of why sometimes the game doesn’t quite mirror real life.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:17 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #23
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Originally posted by SmurfDude:
The England team at the moment are utterly useless. I think he should use the next two games to field some potentially good uncapped players. They can't do any worse than the current bunch.

Why is Owen still getting picked?

I'd be in favour of swapping Owen with that Sheffield Utd striker.
i really hope your joking owen is one of the best england strikers in recent times and as long as he keeps fit he will become englands top ever goalscorer and you want him dropped
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:19 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #24
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This is the current England squad with domestic stats showing:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2289/englandhi5.jpg

Alan Curbishley is the current England manager and im in 2014
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:22 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #25
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forgot to add, he has never been called up to the squad, never mind won a cap. Just hope after the 2014 world cup that owen and crouch retire and he is given a shot.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:26 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #26
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Sufc-Orange: Do you have FM Modifier for 2008 (if you instinctively convulsed on reading that then probably not)because I think looking at the CA of the regen (?) right back Sam Hutchinson would probably give a lot of insight into the workings of the game. Because based on form alone that guy shouldn't even be in consideration (unless of course there is a severe shortage of right backs).

Are the players selected there his usual first 11 (if you can be arsed to check)?
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:43 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #27
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Duncan Edwards got 18 caps and 5 goals for England by the tender age of 21. Surely Steve Bruce is the greatest player never capped by England? 734 appearances over 22 years and a Man Utd legend.1
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:44 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #28
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Sam Hutchinson is not a regen, he is a real life player on Chelsea's books I believe.

Never used FMModifier and have no idea what it is or how to use it.

The players selected are the usual 11 with the exception of Hutchinson who is usually behind this fella:

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9974/sherice0.jpg
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:51 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #29
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Hutchinson is definately not a regen.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:05 PM   The best player never to play for England? Perhaps. Post #30
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As an aside, it amazes me that people can take the time to learn the basics of photoshop/paint, but never learn to draw a proper oval.
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