retired_michael_s1988

How me as the home team, I have to change my shirt upon conflict with my opposition.

gtzpower

My board sensibly deciding to stay part-time after promotion to the Swiss Super League. Other teams squad players have average stats around 16-17 for their key attribute.

My star player has 12s. No-one else wants to join a part-time club.

I got horsed 7-1 by Basel at home. The fans hate my keeper. The only replacements I can get have about 4 for handling.

This will not be an easy season...

retired_summerb

Here's what I think,

I think SI have been spending too much time on trying to get MORE people buying their product that they have taken us for granted.

It sounds ok, right?

Well, not really, you see with features like the "adviser", they had to spend time implementing it. Time taken away form further developing/bullet proofing the game.

I mean, sorry, but you'd have to be really thick not to understand the game after, say, a week or two of playing it, no?

That is of course if you're the slightest of football fans! Which begs the question, who are the people SI are trying to lure with their "adviser"?

Please SI, work on the core stuff, and stop wasting you time and our money with insignificant, cosmetics.


That's what's getting my goat!

retired_jackrrice

tedallal:

The advisor was implemeted after alot of people had trouble getting into FM07. There was quite a few discussions last year regarding the "casual user" of FM.

You say you have to be pretty thick not to understand FM if you've played a few weeks. Yeah, but its the first few hours/days that are frustrating for someone who picks up the game with no prior knowledge of how it's evolved or why it's setup as it is.

I'm not saying that the release of FM08 has gone smoothly (the forums these days is evidence of that) but I dont think the reasons you mention are the cause of it.

retired_summerb

Maybe not! Maybe they're not the reason.
Nonetheless, It's still time wasted on a feature that'll become useless to me, say, 2 weeks into the game, whereas, something like the match engine or even the the media interaction are timeless features.

I believe FM 06's match engine was the best of all. Surely that's not a good sign!

They still get my benefit of the doubt, as there simply isn't any alternative worth wasting my time on. I'm also sure that the 0.1 patch will fix most hard-to-ignore bugs, and it'll be as good as ever. However, I'm looking for something more. This is the fourth installment of football manager; can you really see a "huge" difference between FM '08, and FM '05?

I obviously don't : )

Finally, I think it's supposed to be a little bit overwhelming at first; you're supposed to be managing a club for the first time, right?



Cheers,

retired_jackrrice

I've never used the advisor myself, and never will. Nevertheless, I see why they did it. Tbh it was about time SI caught up on a few of these things and added the advisor and updated the manual.

I hear what you are saying, you feel like they've somehow spent valuable time on aspects of the game you dont feel are critical. And hey, thats your perrogative

After reading a vast number of threads and posts on similar subjects I feel that the main reason why the game was released in the state that it was, is due to insufficient time being allocated to test the finished product. I dont blame the testers, or the developers for this at all, only the timetable set for release. I know alot of testing has gone on for a long time and by a lot of people. But it seems that once the game had gone "gold" there wasnt much time to test at all.

Somewhere there is a technical project manager that either a) didnt get his way from the "suits" when it came to testing the final product.
or
b) didnt plan enough time to test the final product.

I may of course be entirely mistaken

retired_summerb

I agree with you, there.

There'll always be bugs to fix, maybe this time, the bugs are a little bit too many/critical.

But, as you said, mistakes happen, and at the end of the day, nothing a thorough patch can't fix.

But as you know that wasn't my point, which is of course, just my opinion.

retired_jackrrice

Fingers crossed on that one

retired_lapepe

Beautiful. Now I have two places to whinge!

Seemingly aquaplaning. Have good players compared to the other teams, but just can't get a good performance out of them.

The UK Government. They turned down a work permit for a guy that's been in the UK for 7 years and could almost get citizenship. Stupid ****ers!

retired_carljoseph

I think you make a very valid point. SI are left in a highly difficult position however which i have been stressing on the forums since the games release. Prior to release you see a countless number of threads here saying "When is FM08 being released" and "Hurry up and release it". Then when they go ahead and get the game out at the earliest possible time those same people come back and cry and complain saying "I want my money back" and "This game sucks, SI suck".

A lot of people want everything here and now and they want it to be perfect. I am not 100% happy with the game as it is but i understand the situation and I'm happy to wait either for the game to be released a bit later to allow more testing/bug fixes or for SI to take their time on making a patch that will fix the issues post-release.