Board & Potential Transfers idea

[Klimowicz]

since we only seem to have sensible members posting today, i might as well "crazy it up" with my little idea...

i started with Juventus pre-patch (with spain, england, germany, holland leagues fully loaded aswell), literally days before the patch was out. they had a very small budget, even after choosing continental qualification in my expectations.

i managed to sell Camoranesi for £11.5 (i was given 10% to spend) as well as many youth players and fringe players so i could sign a few bargins after spending £7.5 on Zaccardo.

after the window closed, Van Der Vaart declared that he wanted to leave HSV, and was listed for just £7.5M. i bid for him despite having only £5.5M to spend. he accepted the contract and obviously the transfer was delayed due to lack of funds. the board refused to give me a little more money to buy him, and then the deal was cancelled. roma then signed him for £13M.

this also happened in my Madrid game in fm07. i had £22M to spend on transfers, messi demanded a transfer and was listed for £25M. the deal was delayed then rejected after i pestered the boad for the extra £3M, and he was sold to Roma for £37M.

the difference with Juve and Real is that Real had £70M in the bank, Juve just £7M.

since the patch, i started again, bought and sold the same players and managed to sign Van Der Vaart for £12M after his agent asked me to make an offer. Juve had significantly more weight in the market, and we sold many more season tickets. the transfer budget was slightly higher than the balance, but i still had to adjust the budget to maximum to sign Van Der Vaart.

my idea is:

1) if the board can demand a high profile signing like they did for my milan team in fm07, surely it would be a good idea to propose targets at the beginning of the season to match expectations? Rafa did this for liverpool when the new owners arrived iirc...

2) if you have negotiated a contract for a high profile player and the budget has been adjusted to buy him and offer the wages he asks for, surely the board can make an exception and add the extra funds to sign this player, wether or not they can afford it (since budgets can be more than balance anyway)? shirt sales and sucess on the field would repay that investment.

3) fans can influence the board on your job, so it would be a little more realistic if they turned against the board for the lack of transfer activity like they do irl. this might persuade them to make funds available.

just a thought, opinions welcome.

[reudyfam]

totally agree with you, :thup:

[Macyst]

"This is football management game, not a business game" lol...

The way you're thinking is not universally applicable for all teams. In fact, it is only for big teams. The only thing you have to manage is to balance out what your budget is and how you'll spend it and not just keep asking for more money.

1. Rafa did sign 50M players, but he doesn't even get 3M to buy anyone new now. And only a few clubs require big name signing. Liverpool didn't even require Rafa to sign big names, it was only Rafa's desire to do so. Also, targets can be changed anytime, same as price. The market is highly dynamic and your target to match your budget should also be.

2. Why offer a bid that's beyond your budget? You can also sell your current players for that money. Just as simple as that.

3. Fans should not have anything to do with board, it will be too much trouble trying to

Try to be better in in financial and transfer management and not only relying on the board. That's the challenge to seek a cheap promising singings and not just giving away load of money to attract big names.

"Coach the squad we already have and don't keep asking for more money to spend"

[cassiusdiode]

I understand Klimowicz's frustration. Many times i've had my eye on a player, then when he's come on the market i don't have the funds. Perhaps a solution would be to negioate everything as usual then as well as the option to delay the tranfer have another option to put it to the board and let them decide.
Another feature that would add some spice to the game would be if the board had some more control. Say purchasing players they want for the club, selling players out from under you. Then you could have some intense show downs with the board or say a technical director, as occurs in the real life.

[Klimowicz]

Originally posted by Macyst:
"This is football management game, not a business game" lol...

The way you're thinking is not universally applicable for all teams. In fact, it is only for big teams. The only thing you have to manage is to balance out what your budget is and how you'll spend it and not just keep asking for more money.

1. Rafa did sign 50M players, but he doesn't even get 3M to buy anyone new now. And only a few clubs require big name signing. Liverpool didn't even require Rafa to sign big names, it was only Rafa's desire to do so. Also, targets can be changed anytime, same as price. The market is highly dynamic and your target to match your budget should also be.

2. Why offer a bid that's beyond your budget? You can also sell your current players for that money. Just as simple as that.

3. Fans should not have anything to do with board, it will be too much trouble trying to

Try to be better in in financial and transfer management and not only relying on the board. That's the challenge to seek a cheap promising singings and not just giving away load of money to attract big names.

"Coach the squad we already have and don't keep asking for more money to spend"

okay, so i probably bought 12 players, 2 of them more than 500K for starters. VDV obviously the most expensive. i do somewhat agree with the big club/small club thing, but change the numbers from millions to 100,000s or less, same thing. it would be gutting if i couldn't sign a 36 year old Lampard for a league 2 who could afford his wage-cut but were 35K away from the fee (it has happened in an earlier fm, he was listed at 75K and wanted peanuts).

1. it was more about presenting targets to the board in order to negotiate a budget.

if you had £12M to spend on transfers, £20M in the bank and the board want a big name signing (which was implimented in my second season at Milan in fm07), your scout identifies a player who "should be signed whatever the cost", and the projected fee is around £15M, AND after declaring an interest in the player his agent encourages you to make a bid, then common sense should prevail if a world class player like VDV has agreed a deal after a £7.5M bid. considering i eventually bought him for £12M after rangling with HSV, who wanted £17M at one point, an exception should surely be made for an aging Juve midfield.

2. i honestly thought that i was given more than 10% of transfer income, if you sell a player for £11.5M, you expect even at least 50% of that to spend, which would have left me with £10M+. i delayed the bid, then asked for some more money when i realised i couldn't "confirm". so its not that simple :p

3. how many times have fans influenced the boards decision to sack the manager irl? does'nt happen all the time, granted. but it does/has happened. what is the point of fan confidence then? i understand why it might be a little tricky to put it in the game, and i know it would probably cause mass board changes, but fans don't always blame the manager only. "sack the board" is a reasonably popular chant in the lower leagues upwards.

and my signings at Juve have been well handled, as i stated earlier in this post, remembering that technically, Juve are back in serie a after a season out (i know some players stayed etc.). i've made multiple loan signings, and two potentially world class signings from abroad (free transfer loop-hole), both for less than 600K).

thanks for the opinion, though :thup:

[lee50_10]

i agree

[Klimowicz]

Originally posted by cassiusdiode:
I understand Klimowicz's frustration. Many times i've had my eye on a player, then when he's come on the market i don't have the funds. Perhaps a solution would be to negioate everything as usual then as well as the option to delay the tranfer have another option to put it to the board and let them decide.
Another feature that would add some spice to the game would be if the board had some more control. Say purchasing players they want for the club, selling players out from under you. Then you could have some intense show downs with the board or say a technical director, as occurs in the real life.

good idea letting the board decide the outcome after a delay, even for buying players (sort of ties in with what i proposed), but as for selling players, :thdn:

it was a nasty little feature in fm07 where players were sold for much less than their value, to rival clubs at times, even when the board didn't need the money. it was more accepting bids on your behalf, mind.

[Marshdweller]

I certainly agree that there should be a little more flexibility with the transfer budgets.

One response to this could be that you should have asked the board to give you more transfer funds, though this is another mildy related problem with the game: If the board agrees, I find they sometimes give much more than you actually wanted, and then the club suffers financially as a result, and in previous versions of FM I've found that it also means next season's budget is cut to make up for the extra they've given you.

What we really need is an option along the lines of "Ask the board for enough extra transfer funds to complete all unconfirmed transfers". Therefore, even if you aren't in the original poster's situation, but are trying to buy two players for £500k each when your budget is £900k (say), the board release the extra money, and then THAT IS ALL YOU'RE GETTING.

[Klimowicz]

Originally posted by Marshdweller:
I certainly agree that there should be a little more flexibility with the transfer budgets.

One response to this could be that you should have asked the board to give you more transfer funds, though this is another mildy related problem with the game: If the board agrees, I find they sometimes give much more than you actually wanted, and then the club suffers financially as a result, and in previous versions of FM I've found that it also means next season's budget is cut to make up for the extra they've given you.

What we really need is an option along the lines of "Ask the board for enough extra transfer funds to complete all unconfirmed transfers". Therefore, even if you aren't in the original poster's situation, but are trying to buy two players for £500k each when your budget is £900k (say), the board release the extra money, and then THAT IS ALL YOU'RE GETTING.

:thup:

the budget adjustment is a fb new feature, but if you're 10K under the wage budget and the player you want to buy is 600K (150K more than the transfer budget), would an increase in the transfer funds to match the fee make said players wages unaffordable, considering the deal has been made giving him 9K wages?

in hindsight, i may have been able to adjust the budget to £7.5M in the pre-patch game as VDV wasn't asking for more than 35K of my wage budget...

[Wixy_geez]

Do you guys pay signing on fees? I haven't paid one at all in my current game. It is amazing how much money you save!