retired_Iain

It depends on whether they needed composure in these matches. A defender does need composure. If he's under pressure from a striker he will deal with the situation much better.

leftfoot

This is not meant in a sarcastic way at all but if this is the case why is the training section designed the way it is designed? It makes absolutely no sense to me to make only defensive training affect concentration if the match engine treats it as an attribute that affects all players. The same goes for composure and shooting training.

retired_thehpsleb

It depends on whether they needed composure in these matches. A defender does need composure. If he's under pressure from a striker he will deal with the situation much better. </BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Quick thinking matters and technique(decisions, first touch and technique).
If you dont beleave me, do your own test with all your defenders on 1 composure..

retired_Iain

This is not meant in a sarcastic way at all but if this is the case why is the training section designed the way it is designed? It makes absolutely no sense to me to make only defensive training affect concentration if the match engine treats it as an attribute that affects all players. The same goes for composure and shooting training. </BLOCKQUOTE>

All outfield attributes are useful whatever a players position but some are more specific to a certain position.

retired_Iain

It depends on whether they needed composure in these matches. A defender does need composure. If he's under pressure from a striker he will deal with the situation much better. </BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Quick thinking matters and technique(decisions, first touch and technique).
If you dont beleave me, do your own test with all your defenders on 1 composure.. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Decisions, First Touch and Technique will all help. As will composure.

retired_thehpsleb

Si BHA, is funny tho..when I did the test with my players didnt seam to be more or less "composed" when under pressure. If they have 1 or 20 composure didnt matter.

Think about it..why do we have to train central defender in longshoot and finishing just to keep there composure up? well we dont becourse they dont need it.
Same with your strikers..there is no need to train them in marking and tackling to keep there concentration stat at a decent level. It should be common sence to everyone?

retired_thehpsleb

If you were right..it would be impossible to "form" any youngsters correctly - since we then had to train defenders in shooting and strikers in defending, and they wouldnt progress correctly..well why should my wonderkid Pato work on hes tackling and marking? or my young central defender training longshoot - makes no sence.

leftfoot

If the match engine does indeed take composure into account in defensive situations and concentration into account in offensive situations then should there be specifically related attributes?

Composure is probably the easiest to illustrate an example. So a defender wins the tackle and regains possession. In real life his 'defensive commposure' would play a role in what he does next in relation to the pressure he is under. Does he boot it to row Z or try to pick out a pass?

A defender could have 20 'defensive composure' but collapse like a deck of cards if presented with a one on one goal scoring opportunity i.e. a low 'offensive composure'.

If you go with the logical argument that composure is composure regardless of the situation then why have it only affected by the shooting training? Do you think in real life if a defender doesn't do 'shooting' based drills he would lose his ability to stay calm under pressure in a defensive situation? I really don't believe that this would be the case.

If concentration/composure are incorporated into match engine calculations all over the pitch then I think the training module as it stands needs changing. Just my opinion.

That is a very arrogant statement to make and a misinterpretation of 'common sense'. It makes 'logical sense' if you approach FM as a game and make the connection between the match engine and the training module with respect to how different attributes are processed. But many FM players look at attributes as a reflection of real life and expect that they are treated as such in the match engine as this is 'common sense' to them. Most with any interest in football all ready know what the different attributes would mean when attributed to a real life footballer in any given position, and make a perfectly understandable assumption that these attributes are modelled in the match engine to reflect real life.

So 'concentration only affected by defensive training' =&gt; 'match engine does not use the concentration variable in offensively based situations' is 'logical sense'. Someone with a programming background might make this connection.

and

'real life striker needs good concentration to be alert to chances' =&gt; 'in game striker needs the same' would be 'common sense' based on the assumption that the match engine models real life accurately and that attributes are processed to reflect this.

retired_thehpsleb

I was worried about that was the case..but after I done the test im happy with the training schedules.